To: Fred Ridder; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.
I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems
for some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely
crucial
keystrokes seem to go astray. If I type too slowly, Frame thinks I'm starting a
different style with each letter.
Maybe I need a faster PC.
From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 19 September 2013 06:13
To: Alastair Dent; 'Framer's List'
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
: Inserting inline graphics
On 2013-Sep-18 3:38 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:
Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only
came in with Frame 11.
Um, no, I suggested them on Sept. 9 in a message to Matt Sullivan, copied to
the list and to Alistair
On 2013-Sep-18 3:38 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:
Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because
they only came in with Frame 11.
Um, no, I suggested them on Sept. 9 in a message to Matt Sullivan,
copied to the list and to Alistair...
(credit where due dept.:-)
s.
On 2013-Sep-18 3:38 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:
>
> Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because
> they only came in with Frame 11.
>
>
Um, no, I suggested them on Sept. 9 in a message to Matt Sullivan,
copied to the list and to Alistair...
(credit where due dept.:-)
To: Fred Ridder; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.
I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems
for some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely
crucial
keystrokes seem to go astray. If I type too slowly, Frame thinks I'm starting a
different style with each letter.
Maybe I need a faster PC.
From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 19 September 2013 06:13
To: Alastair Dent; 'Framer's List'
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
: Re: Inserting inline graphics
On 2013-Sep-18 3:38 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:
Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only
came in with Frame 11.
Um, no, I suggested them on Sept. 9 in a message to Matt Sullivan, copied to
the list and to Alistair
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the
list. I use it all the time and would go
ember 17, 2013 2:07 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
> create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
> anchored frames for hints, warnings, database ta
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the
list. I use it all the time and would
[mailto:framers-
boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
The downside
Alastair Dent wrote:
I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing
...@siliconprairiesoftware.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:07 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Inserting inline graphics
I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames
I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
O'Laoghaire
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Wakefield, MA
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Subject: Inserting inline
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
Hi Alastair,
I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always
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I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in
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Winfried, I could kiss you.
That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p;
too fast and it doesn't work, too
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> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
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> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm using something l
Alastair Dent wrote:
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap
I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
...@siliconprairiesoftware.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:07 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Inserting inline graphics
I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored
at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
Hi Alastair,
I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Inserting inline graphics
I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in
rom: alastair.dent at imgtec.com
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> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
>
> Winfried, I could kiss you.
>
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of
:30
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're
usually all in one directory.
Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one
frame
user.
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Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
Extracting the icons from
Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult,
they're usually all in one directory.
Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file
create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as
you want them. Copy and paste that into your main
18:30
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're
usually all in one directory.
Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one
lity for the end
> user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re:
Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult,
they're usually all in one directory.
Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file
create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as
you want them. Copy and paste that into your main
I could see where a custom font would be a problem if the job was not meant for
print or PDF.
However, one could use HTML font-includes for web-based help or embed the font
in an ePub.
Of course, that brings up other potential problems: such as having a reasonably
up-to-date browser or ePub
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 12 September 2013 23:00
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
As a workflow that would be simply impractical.
You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better than setting
Have you actually done that? I tried a few years ago and the theory
did not work in practice.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:35 PM, David Creamer
ideasli...@ideastraining.com wrote:
I could see where a custom font would be a problem if the job was not meant
for print or PDF.
However, one could
I could see where a custom font would be a problem if the job was not meant for
print or PDF.
However, one could use HTML font-includes for web-based help or embed the font
in an ePub.
Of course, that brings up other potential problems: such as having a reasonably
up-to-date browser or ePub
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 12 September 2013 23:00
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.
You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better t
Have you actually done that? I tried a few years ago and the theory
did not work in practice.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:35 PM, David Creamer
wrote:
> I could see where a custom font would be a problem if the job was not meant
> for print or PDF.
> However, one could use HTML font-includes for
As a workflow that would be simply impractical.
You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better than
setting up a character tag or table tag and changing a letter to show the
desired button.
I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font (not one
font per
Creating a custom dingbat font for the icons could work if you were
delivering PDF.
It would be problematic for help formats that use the client's fonts.
Your authoring tool would have to convert the dingbats to images.
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, David Creamer
ideasli...@ideastraining.com
> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.
You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better than
setting up a character tag or table tag and changing a letter to show the
desired button.
I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font (not one
font per
Creating a custom dingbat font for the icons could work if you were
delivering PDF.
It would be problematic for help formats that use the client's fonts.
Your authoring tool would have to convert the dingbats to images.
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, David Creamer
wrote:
> I my mind, I see it
It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon,
copy the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace
it.
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It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon, copy
the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace
What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/
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Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/
David Creamer
IDEAS Training
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Adobe Authorized Instructor Certified Expert since 1995
Yeah, FrameMaker's workflow isn't good for that. That's one reason I
avoid icon characters and in favor of tooltips.
You could probably automate it with FrameScript.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com wrote:
As a workflow that would be simply impractical.
Cc: matt at mattrsullivan.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon, copy
the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace it.
-- next part
What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/
David Creamer
IDEAS Training
http://www.ideastraining.com
Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995
September 2013 13:55
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/
David Creamer
IDEAS Training
http://www.ideastraining.com
Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since
Yeah, FrameMaker's workflow isn't good for that. That's one reason I
avoid icon characters and in favor of tooltips.
You could probably automate it with FrameScript.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Alastair Dent
wrote:
> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.
>
> This product has
. There are
hundreds of icons in this product and I will only know which ones I need to use
as I'm writing.
From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
Sent: 09 September 2013 22:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
I had to do
@lists.frameusers.com
*Subject:* Re: Inserting inline graphics
** **
I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the
Fm11 book!
** **
I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used
Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know
. There are
hundreds of icons in this product and I will only know which ones I need to use
as I'm writing.
From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
Sent: 09 September 2013 22:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
I had to do
9 September 2013 22:20
> *To:* Alastair Dent
> *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> ** **
>
> I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the
> Fm11 book!
>
> ** **
>
> I set my cursor in the
It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon,
copy the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace
it.
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I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.
I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.
I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
What am I missing?
Alastair Dent
I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11 book!I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find a faster solution than that...
-MattMatt R.
If only I knew somebody… ;)I don't know how much time the scripting would have saved though. After the effort to script it, I'd still have to id the graphic, and choose the appropriate offset.Really, in this case I never felt like it was slowing me down. By choosing from my button matrix, I only
On 2013-Sep-09 5:19 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:
I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing
the Fm11 book!
I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used
Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll
find a faster solution
One could
certainly create a plugin or Frame/ExtendScript that
would simplify that process. Before doing something "eleventh-six
hundred times" I'd look for some type of automation. :)
Sounds like an "Insert Icon" command is needed here. Run command
Alastair Dent wrote:
I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.
I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.
I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
What
Hi Stuart, I did consider the Object styles, but the difference in sizes of inline graphics seemed too much to manage. The Alt+arrow method was easy enough to apply per graphic.I did search through the maker.ini for a way to set a better default baseline, but couldn't locate one.Object styles were
I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.
I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.
I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
What am I missing?
Alastair Dent
I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11
book!
I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used Alt+(down
arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find a faster
solution than that...
-Matt
Matt R. Sullivan
On 2013-Sep-09 5:19 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:
> I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing
> the Fm11 book!
>
> I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used
> Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll
> find a faster
Hi Stuart, I did consider the Object styles, but the difference in sizes of
inline graphics seemed too much to manage. The Alt+arrow method was easy enough
to apply per graphic.
I did search through the maker.ini for a way to set a better default baseline,
but couldn't locate one.
Object
One could certainly create a plugin or Frame/ExtendScript that would
simplify that process. Before doing something "eleventh-six hundred
times" I'd look for some type of automation. :)
Sounds like an "Insert Icon" command is needed here. Run command (press
shortcut keys), prompt for file ..
Alastair Dent wrote:
> I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.
>
> I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
> Paste graphic
> Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.
>
> I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
>
If only I knew somebody? ;)
I don't know how much time the scripting would have saved though. After the
effort to script it, I'd still have to id the graphic, and choose the
appropriate offset.
Really, in this case I never felt like it was slowing me down. By choosing from
my button matrix, I
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