Re: [Plone-developers] [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 Framework Team Selection List

2008-12-18 Thread Raphael Ritz
Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Tom Lazar wrote: this is a fundamental change in how the framework team will operate from now on. we're no longer just a group of individuals who quietly need to make some sense of PLIPs and their implementation on their own but more of a clearing house

Re: [Plone-developers] [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 Framework Team Selection List

2008-12-18 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Aspeli wrote: > >From what I understood the reason for the private list was to allow you > > to discuss individuals without having to worry about being overly > > political or hurting anyones feelings. > > Unfortunately, no-one will be able to address your specific concerns > wit

Re: [Plone-developers] [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 Framework Team Selection List

2008-12-18 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Tom Lazar wrote: > this is a fundamental change in how the framework team will operate > from now on. we're no longer just a group of individuals who quietly > need to make some sense of PLIPs and their implementation on their own > but more of a clearing house. So, do I understan

Fwd: [Plone-developers] [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 Framework Team Selection List

2008-12-18 Thread Matthew Wilkes
On 18 Dec 2008, at 10:34, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Collecting external input and outside reviews is a nice idea, but things like user interface and documentation should be a full part of the process, and therefore should be reflected in the membership of the group which makes decisions based o

Re: [Plone-developers] [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 Framework Team Selection List

2008-12-18 Thread Tom Lazar
On 18.12.2008, at 11:48, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 12/18/08 11:43 AM, Tom Lazar wrote: and therefore should be reflected in the membership of the group which makes decisions based on those factors. i think that conclusion is the only part where we disagree. can we agree at least on that? ;

Re: [Plone-developers] [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 Framework Team Selection List

2008-12-18 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 12/18/08 11:43 AM, Tom Lazar wrote: and therefore should be reflected in the membership of the group which makes decisions based on those factors. i think that conclusion is the only part where we disagree. can we agree at least on that? ;-) Not without a way to guarantee that user interf

Re: [Plone-developers] [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 Framework Team Selection List

2008-12-18 Thread Tom Lazar
On 18.12.2008, at 11:34, Wichert Akkerman wrote: [...] things like user interface and documentation should be a full part of the process, absolutely and therefore should be reflected in the membership of the group which makes decisions based on those factors. i think that conclusion is the

Re: [Plone-developers] [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 Framework Team Selection List

2008-12-18 Thread Tom Lazar
On 18.12.2008, at 11:21, Martin Aspeli wrote: In particular, one of the things we'd discussed and would like to see more of, is a consultative approach where the framework team reviewer asks for review from people outside the team. Anyone who is motivated to contribute opinions will be heartily

Re: [Plone-developers] [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 Framework Team Selection List

2008-12-18 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Aspeli wrote: > Wichert, > > I can assure you that UI expertise was a factor in the discussion, as > was the need for a balanced team. The selection decision that was made > was unanimous, and followed healthy, constructive debate. Which makes me all the more baffled that UI exp