Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread S. Mullen (DVCinLV)
SSD failure might be mitigated by only powering them on when one needs to use them as well as periodically. Of course, SSDs can be used in RAID 6 for even greater safety. However, to me, storing only on a physical device located in office/home is worrisome. I like cloud storage because Google,

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Jeff Kreines
And a hat tip to Owen Plotkin, a real mensch, who kindly provided that server (and the Kinetta scanner it served) a home back in the day! Jeff Kreines Kinetta j...@kinetta.com kinetta.com Sent from iPhone. > On Sep 11, 2022, at 6:34 PM, owen plotkin wrote: > > Hat tip to Mr. Kreins for the

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread owen plotkin
Hat tip to Mr. Kreins for the nod to Bob Zelin, a giant in video technology, a legend in NYC as an advisor/installer and all around good egg and ethical business person ! Owen > On Sep 11, 2022, at 7:09 PM, Jeff Kreines wrote: > >  >> On Sep 11, 2022, at 6:00 PM, S. Mullen wrote: >>

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Jeff Kreines
On Sep 11, 2022, at 6:00 PM, S. Mullen wrote: > > Jeff you are correct about RAID 6. And between use they don't have to be kept > powered up so mechanical failure should not be a problem. Correct? Correct. This RAID server had sat for 6 or 7 years unused. Plugged it back in and everything

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread S. Mullen
Jeff you are correct about RAID 6. And between use they don't have to be kept powered up so mechanical failure should not be a problem. Correct? I'm using cloud plus a hard drive. At my age I am not worried about how long Google will be with us. Steve On Sun, Sep 11, 2022, 2:41 PM Jeff Kreines

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Jeff Kreines
Colorlab does very affordable digital to film transfers in both 16mm (4K) and 35mm. 35mm with optical track is only $.50/ft. These are direct to print — so no generation loss, but also no negative. (They can obviously do negatives to but it’s much more expensive.) But a filmout is not really

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Chris Freeman
Careful with solid state drives for long term storage. The data on SSDs fades after a few years of not being plugged in. I don’t understand the physics of it, but they for some reason need power to keep those 1s and 0s correct.

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Scott Dorsey
> The biggest drawback is that you are at the whim of business/trends and the > company?s desire/ability to keep the service available. That's a big, big drawback. I certainly don't trust Google's ability to maintain services. --scott -- Frameworks mailing list Frameworks@film-gallery.org

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Pip Chodorov
Spinning rust, yes. You can also use solid state drives but these are much more expensive and - little known fact - they can only be written to a finite number of times. I recommend helium drives with less friction between the platters. Good research has been done that helium drives report

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Scott Dorsey
Nobody really knows what digital formats will last, because they haven't been around long enough. But, copying is not lossy, so copy onto as many different possible formats as you can in order to increase your chances. And, if possible, recopy to new media every few years. --scott -- Frameworks

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread S. Mullen
Is the 6-7 years powered (spinning)? On Sun, Sep 11, 2022, 1:22 PM FrameWorks Admin wrote: > Yes, film output is common practice. Film kept in the right conditions of > temperature and humidity can last 200 years; this is called passive > storage. Otherwise the digital files have to be

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Chris Freeman
Cloud storage is also becoming more of an option for large amounts of data, but of course has its drawbacks as well. It’s not location-specific, it’s disaster-proof. You are basically paying Google or Amazon or whoever to do all that constant maintenance for you. But a regular subscription cost

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread FrameWorks Admin
Yes, film output is common practice. Film kept in the right conditions of temperature and humidity can last 200 years; this is called passive storage. Otherwise the digital files have to be constantly copied, called active storage. The average life span of a hard drive is 6-7 years. One way to

Re: [Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Albert Alcoz
Can it be an option to transfer the digital video file to 35mm or 16mm film? I heard this process is common in commercial fiction feature films that have currently been recorded digitally in order to preserve work without relying on hard drives. On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 7:39 PM Philip Jozef

[Frameworks] preserving digital video files long-term

2022-09-11 Thread Philip Jozef Brubaker
For all of you who work with digital video, can you recommend a storage method to keep those files alive (as long as you are?) External hard drives will fail after several years. Other than continually moving a zipped file from one old drive to a new one, is there a better way to store and