Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what wee need is a rule, that if you demand folks should move the thread to such-and-such a list, that YOU ACTUALLY DO THAT. I will admit, Julian, you came closest, you at least

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
[moved from -current to -chat] Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part of the discussion on bsdforen.de was some people complaining that parts of the base system (as well as [important] ports) do not work, and are maintained very badly due to 'no interest'. Those people clearly don't

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
[moved to -chat from -current] Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If one never tries to change something then it will never get changed and dismissing something as impossible from the get go is the hight of close mindiness (which everyone is accusing me of when the fact is I was not

Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing

2008-01-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Chuck Robey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what wee need is a rule, that if you demand folks should move the thread to such-and-such a list, that YOU ACTUALLY DO THAT. I will admit, Julian, you came closest, you at least posted to -chat, would have been pretty good, if only you'd removed -current

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: [moved to -chat from -current] Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If one never tries to change something then it will never get changed and dismissing something as impossible from the get go is the hight of

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
Thus Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:56:55 +0100: [moved from -current to -chat] Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part of the discussion on bsdforen.de was some people complaining that parts of the base system (as well as [important] ports) do not

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
Thus Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:01:59 +0100: Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Years ago there were mature guys coding and doing a *very* good job. Nowadays it seems that they code to impress their girlfriends. As said, join the Linux gang.

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you did not realize how insulting this is to someone who has spent the last ten years of his life writing the operating system that you use for

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Andrey Chernov
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 08:02:02AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: conspiracy hat onIs Aryeh funded by Microsoft?/conspiracy hat off :) There are more direct ways to ruin FOSS then what I am purposing... Interesting remark, are you confessing to? :) As fall of the USSR proves, indirect ways

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you did not realize how insulting this is to someone who has spent the last ten years of his life writing the operating system that you use for free. Having gotten that off my chest and

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 03:49:41PM +0100 I heard the voice of Dag-Erling Smørgrav, and lo! it spake thus: By the way, as far as I know, FreeBSD already runs on machines with a non-power-of-two number of cores: - I've still got a 6-way PPro motherboard in the closet upstairs (and a

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: By the way, as far as I know, FreeBSD already runs on machines with a non-power-of-two number of cores: - The AMD Opteron architecture supports an arbitrary number of cores in a HyperTransport ring; there are triple-socket Opteron motherboards, and AMD is

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
Thus Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:51:49 +0100: Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you did not realize how insulting this is to someone who has

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
Thus Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:49:41 +0100: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you did not realize how insulting this is to someone who has spent the last ten years of his life

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Marian Hettwer
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:34:28 -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not understand this, you will be more comfortable using commercial software. However, I suspect you will find that commercial software developers are even *less* responsive to your needs. As several

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:00:24 +0100: Timo Schoeler wrote: Thus Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:12:25 +0100: Timo Schoeler wrote: It will even go into the CVS tree

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those people clearly don't understand the FreeBSD development model. So, the FreeBSD development model does neither care in case the tree breaks (read: is unbuildable, or in the direction of being

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 conspiracy hat onIs Aryeh funded by Microsoft?/conspiracy hat off :) There are more direct ways to ruin FOSS then what I am purposing... for example make it so only8 certified OS's are allowed on any machine and other things... - -- Aryeh M.

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:22:48 +0100: Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those people clearly don't understand the FreeBSD development model.

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Oliver Fromme
Timo Schoeler wrote: Matthew D. Fuller wrote: Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: By the way, as far as I know, FreeBSD already runs on machines with a non-power-of-two number of cores: - I've still got a 6-way PPro motherboard in the closet upstairs (and a number of such ran

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you do not understand this, you will be more comfortable using commercial software. However, I suspect you will find that commercial software developers are even *less* responsive to your needs. As several people (besides me) have pointed

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Oliver Fromme
Note: Reply-To set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Timo Schoeler wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: I think the real answer is: You cannot prevent anyone from writing a piece of software, no matter how useless or ridiculous it might be for the majority of users. I don't want to do this, either.

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Bernd Walter
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 08:17:25PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: Certainly, but as I wrote, it's not a big deal. I have several other patches that I maintain on my own for various reasons. For example I have a local patch set that enables -c none in ssh, so I can scp large files much faster

JMJ for Village Idiot

2008-01-11 Thread Andrew Atrens
Wading through AMF's license ramblings made me start reminiscing about the early 90's - http://www.dnull.com/bsd/others/32.txt I fondly recall JMJ's less-than-comprehensible rant about motorcycle fairings, heh, now that I think about it in retrospect, maybe after all these years, it's all

Re: strace broken in 7.0?

2008-01-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Timo Schoeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Plurium Interrogationum. Your question presupposes that FreeBSD is or will soon be unbuildable and / or that

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 redirected to -chat Astrodog wrote: I'd like to propose the creation of a freebsd-legal mailing list. Beyond moving threads like this one off of -current, I believe it would provide a valuable place to discuss things like DTrace licensing, the

Re: Improving the handling of PR:s

2008-01-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
韓家標 Bill Hacker wrote: Mark Linimon wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 07:35:41PM +0100, Peter Schuller wrote: But understandable or not, the problem becomes particularly frustrating when it affects PR:s that contain patches. Such PR:s constitute direct contributions to the project. In cases

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Robey wrote: redirected to -chat Astrodog wrote: I'd like to propose the creation of a freebsd-legal mailing list. Beyond moving threads like this one off of -current, I believe it would provide a valuable place to discuss things like

Re: JMJ for Village Idiot

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Atrens wrote: Wading through AMF's license ramblings made me start reminiscing about the early 90's - http://www.dnull.com/bsd/others/32.txt I fondly recall JMJ's less-than-comprehensible rant about motorcycle fairings, heh, now that I