Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-20 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2008-01-20 23:24, Dominic Fandrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> Fair point. I think that 120 'article-like' additions to our >> existing article collection stand a pretty good chance of including a >> *lot* of useful material. >> >> It would be a bit silly to reject an

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-20 Thread Dominic Fandrey
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2008-01-18 17:27, Lars Engels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 03:34:33PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >>> If you mean by disconnected the people who appear once and ask >>> something that can be answered by telling them to read a certain >>> chap

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-19 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2008-01-18 17:27, Lars Engels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 03:34:33PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> If you mean by disconnected the people who appear once and ask >> something that can be answered by telling them to read a certain >> chapter in the handbook or one of th

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-18 Thread Lars Engels
On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 03:34:33PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > If you mean by disconnected the people who appear once and ask something that > can be answered by telling them to read a certain chapter in the handbook or > one of the 120 HowTos we have written and collected (I have offered to th

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-13 Thread Aristedes Maniatis
On 13/01/2008, at 11:37 AM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Robert Watson wrote: Sorry, but (especially in this case) that is nonsense as it's primarily an excuse and disparages the work done there. There's another element in play here -- FreeBSD.org is a mailing list-centric com

Re: mail<->usenet gateway / web-forum (was Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community)

2008-01-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - --On Sunday, January 13, 2008 13:32:20 -0800 Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > USENET is basically dead (and has been for years), but the NNTP > protocol itself is still quite nice. I never found the time to write > a web-

Re: mail<->usenet gateway / web-forum (was Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community)

2008-01-13 Thread Christer Solskogen
Matthew Dillon wrote: We use MHONARC to make our mailing list archives available via the web. It works very well but it is read-only. FreeBSD might want to look into it, the UI is pretty friendly. We just use google to search it. There is also something called gmane which alread

mail<->usenet gateway / web-forum (was Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community)

2008-01-13 Thread Matthew Dillon
A web forum is a nice thing to have. I haven't found one that I am comfortable with security wise. A lot of people use our archives and a small but non trivial number post via our newsgroups. Most browsers no longer ship with a built-in nntp/news protocol, though (not sure ab

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-13 Thread Oliver Fromme
Bernd Walter wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Certainly, but as I wrote, it's not a big deal. I have > > several other patches that I maintain on my own for > > various reasons. For example I have a local patch set > > that enables "-c none" in ssh, so I can scp large files > > much faster

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-13 Thread F. Senault
Sunday, January 13, 2008, 6:29:03 AM, you wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, johan beisser wrote: >> > Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper >> >> Not too difficult. Quite a few forums provide RSS feeds. > That doesn't let you go both ways though, although just being able to

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, johan beisser wrote: Pitty the few I have seen are basically unmaintained :( (eg Papercut) Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper Not too difficult. Quite a few forums provide RSS feeds. That

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, johan beisser wrote: > > Pitty the few I have seen are basically unmaintained :( > > (eg Papercut) > > > > Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper > > Not too difficult. Quite a few forums provide RSS feeds. That doesn't let you go both ways though, alth

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread johan beisser
On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: A usenet<->forum bridge would be nice since news looks enough like email for oldies to use :) Pitty the few I have seen are basically unmaintained :( (eg Papercut) Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper Not too dif

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Robert Watson wrote: > > Sorry, but (especially in this case) that is nonsense as it's > > primarily an excuse and disparages the work done there. > > There's another element in play here -- FreeBSD.org is a mailing > list-centric community driven by people who are very much pa

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread Dominic Fandrey
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: (I don't even think bsdforen.de is the largest German BSD community, but that's a different story). >>> Even in case it's the second biggest forum, it shouldn't be ignored; >> I agree completely, it shouldn't be ignore

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread Jonathan Weiss
Robert Watson schrieb: I don't know if there are technical solutions to this problem, but if we want to "meet" many of these newer users of BSD, and hence build up the rapport needed to have a productive relationship, we're either going to have to lure them onto the mailing lists, find our way

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread Robert Watson
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Timo Schoeler wrote: (I don't even think bsdforen.de is the largest German BSD community, but that's a different story). Even in case it's the second biggest forum, it shouldn't be ignored; I agree completely, it shouldn't be ignored. (Whether it's the first, second or th

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread Bernd Walter
On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 02:44:06PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > (I don't even think bsdforen.de is the largest German BSD > > > > community, but that's a different story). > > > Even in case it's the second biggest forum, it shouldn't be i

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread Timo Schoeler
Thus Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake on Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:44:06 +0100: > Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Certainly, but as I wrote, it's not a big deal. I have > > several other patches that I maintain on my own for > > various reasons. For example I have a local pa

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-12 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Certainly, but as I wrote, it's not a big deal. I have > several other patches that I maintain on my own for > various reasons. For example I have a local patch set > that enables "-c none" in ssh, so I can scp large files > much faster between slow mac

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Robey wrote: > redirected to -chat > > Astrodog wrote: >> I'd like to propose the creation of a freebsd-legal mailing list. >> > >> Beyond moving threads like this one off of -current, I believe it >> would provide a valuable place to discuss th

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 redirected to -chat Astrodog wrote: > I'd like to propose the creation of a freebsd-legal mailing list. > > Beyond moving threads like this one off of -current, I believe it > would provide a valuable place to discuss things like DTrace > licensing,

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Judge
Bernd Walter wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 08:17:25PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: Certainly, but as I wrote, it's not a big deal. I have several other patches that I maintain on my own for various reasons. For example I have a local patch set that enables "-c none" in ssh, so I can scp large

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Bernd Walter
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 08:17:25PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Certainly, but as I wrote, it's not a big deal. I have > several other patches that I maintain on my own for > various reasons. For example I have a local patch set > that enables "-c none" in ssh, so I can scp large files > much fa

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Oliver Fromme
Note: Reply-To set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Timo Schoeler wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > I think the real answer is: You cannot prevent anyone > > from writing a piece of software, no matter how useless > > or ridiculous it might be for the majority of users. > > I don't want to do this, e

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrey Chernov wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 08:02:02AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>> Is Aryeh funded by Microsoft?>> hat off> :) >> There are more direct ways to ruin FOSS then what I am >> purposing... > > Interesting remark, are you confess

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Andrey Chernov
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 08:02:02AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > Is Aryeh funded by Microsoft? :) > > There are more direct ways to ruin FOSS then what I am purposing... Interesting remark, are you confessing to? :) As fall of the USSR proves, indirect ways are much more powerfull, than di

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Timo Schoeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Thus Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:00:24 +0100: > Timo Schoeler wrote: > > Thus Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 > > 14:12:25 +0100: > > > >> Timo Schoeler wrote: > >> > It will even

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Kris Kennaway
Timo Schoeler wrote: Thus Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:12:25 +0100: Timo Schoeler wrote: It will even go into the CVS tree (though probably not into GENERIC) if the source is clean, style(9)-compliant and well maintained. It should do with *one* exception: E

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > Is Aryeh funded by Microsoft? :) There are more direct ways to ruin FOSS then what I am purposing... for example make it so only8 certified OS's are allowed on any machine and other things... - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Develop

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Andrey Chernov
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 11:59:13AM +0100, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote: > [moved to -chat from -current] > > "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If one never tries to change something then it will never get changed > > and dismissing something as impossible from the get go is the hig

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
[moved to -chat from -current] "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2. Should we rely largely on donations (both small and large)? Oh, goodie! I get to whip out my favorite rant! Actually, I'm too lazy to retype it, so here's a link to the last time I used it: http://lists.freebsd

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > [moved to -chat from -current] > > "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If one never tries to change something then it will never get >> changed and dismissing something as impossible from the get go is >> the

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
[moved to -chat from -current] "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If one never tries to change something then it will never get changed > and dismissing something as impossible from the get go is the hight of > close mindiness (which everyone is accusing me of when the fact is I > w

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-10 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Robey wrote: > redirected to -chat. I just do reply all's so it goes where it goes... For a more complete set of answers to the below issues see: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1424092+0+current/freebsd-current > > Aryeh M. Friedm

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-10 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Marian Hettwer wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:46:23 -0500, "Aryeh M. Friedman" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I decided to elaborate slightly on the previous reply >>> >>> One thing that FOSS (BSD or GPL) has histori

Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community

2008-01-10 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 redirected to -chat. Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aryeh M. Friedman" >> writes: > We need more licenses like we need a 3rd or 4th leg. What is wrong with the standard BSD license p