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From: David Schwartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Don't be foolish.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 11:07:46PM -0800, David Schwartz wrote:
MS dumped a pile of money into development of IE7 because it gets a
pile of money in return from the root certificate authorities. Just
like MS dumps a pile of money into development of operating systems
because they get a
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MS dumped a pile of money into
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From: David Schwartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The real reason MS was there on trial was - da dum - that they were
price-setting the OPERATING SYSTEM prices. The argument was
that MS was a legal monopoly of operating systems and acting in
an anticompetitive fashion. Why the trial brought Netscape into the
trial at all is likely that
David, this is getting really tiring. Do you have such much as a shred
of evidence to support your assertion that Microsoft was really
afraid of anything? Yes or no. If you have no evidence, go away. If you
have
evidence, present it.
Ted
Nothing would satisfy you except perhaps a video
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The real reason
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From: David Schwartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use
When we talk about a corporation being
This would require a kind of foresight on Gates' part that he
simply didn't
have.
It really doesn't matter whether Bill Gates genuinely feared that the
Internet
First it was Microsoft feared Now it's Bill Gates feared
Since I made it precisely clear what I mean in both cases, what
On Dec 18, 2007 10:06 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Andrew Falanga wrote:
On Dec 18, 2007 10:06 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You know, I'd never guessed that this much could come from such a simple
question.
The least the culprits could have done is not highjack the thread when
they moved to a new subject.
--
Dan Langille -
Don't be foolish. Microsoft would have lost the case if they
had admitted the real reasons for what they did. It isn't to
MS's benefit to reveal anything about the real reasons they
do a thing.
That's true, but that completely undercuts your argument. Giving IE away to get
revenue for
My position: Microsoft pushed IE because they saw Java and Netscape
as a threat to their Windows monopoly.
Microsoft was very worried that the trial would focus on this and
they would end up with this as a ruling. So, they engineered
the focus on their destruction of Netscape. Everyone
I will act as an arbiter for a minute here, can I?
The support for your position comes in bulk from historical data. Ted
holds that the whole Netscape ordeal was manipulated to intentionally
put Microsoft into vulnerable position in that respect, so as to divert
attention of the court from
MS dumped a pile of money into development of IE7 because it gets a
pile of money in return from the root certificate authorities. Just
like MS dumps a pile of money into development of operating systems
because they get a pile of money in return from the PC companies
that sell PC's with
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From: Chuck Robey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:32 PM
To: Ted Mittelstaedt
Cc: Andrew Falanga; Rob; FreeBSD Chat
Subject: Re: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use
I was rather pleased when M$ had all that
Those payments are gigantic. Imagine for a second if Verisign
told Microsoft to kiss off, they were no longer going to pay
Microsoft for renting space in the IE root certificate store.
Microsoft would simply issue a root certificate revoke in Windows
Updates for the Verisign public key, and
David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
More likely, Microsoft was afraid that a portable browser could become the
platform of the future, making the operating system on longer particularly
important.
No. At the time (1995), Microsoft had no clue about what the Internet
was and how important
David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
More likely, Microsoft was afraid that a portable browser could
become the
platform of the future, making the operating system no longer
particularly
important.
No. At the time (1995), Microsoft had no clue about what the Internet
was
David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No. At the time (1995), Microsoft had no clue about what the Internet
was and how important it would become. That was the year they launched
their own dialup service modeled after AOL, and the year _The
Java was little more than a toy in 1995, and Netscape did not support it
until Navigator 2.0 was released in March, 1996. There was no way
Microsoft could consider the Netscape / Java combination a threat in
May 1995, because it simply did not exist.
DES
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Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL
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From: David Schwartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use
Those payments are gigantic.
Do you really not understand it? I'll try one more time. Anyone
who writes a browser that grabs major market share has a guarenteed
stream of cash from the root certificate authorities. Netscape
figured this out first, then when MS caught on, they pushed them out
of business to grab that
(note, because I went a bit off-topic, I redirected this to -chat)
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
It's a chicken and egg problem.
There's nothing wrong with writing an extremely strict standard.
The issue is the implementation.
If your server implementation is so strict that most clients have
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