Re: FreeBSD 5.0 Developer Preview #1 Now Available / diskless booting

2002-04-22 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:19:56AM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > > That being that some of us actually WANT /etc to be left the fsck alone. > > We NFS mount / and that / has /etc as it should be. I also cannot follow > > what you are trying to do with /etc/conf. Perhaps you could comment that >

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-22 Thread Crist J. Clark
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 11:16:58AM -0700, Doug White wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > > For the benefit of packet sniffers and other things that only want > > read-only access to /dev/bpf*, what do people think of adding a 'bpf' > > group for those programs? This allows

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 Developer Preview #1 Now Available / diskless booting

2002-04-22 Thread Danny Braniss
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:40:44AM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > > Since im very interested in diskless/dataless, and i've been at it for some > > time now, i made some changes to libstand/bootp.c and /etc/rc.diskless1 > > which i wouldn't mind receiving commnets/suggestions, and if possible > >

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 Developer Preview #1 Now Available / diskless booting

2002-04-22 Thread Danny Braniss
> I'll commit this to rc.diskless1 this will only work if you include the changes to bootp.c > > +if [ -z "`hostname -s`" ]; then > +hostname=`kenv dhcp.host-name` > +hostname $hostname > +echo "Hostname is $hostname" > +fi > > BUT you've missed the

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm pretty sure Solaris also used 4K pages for swappable memory > in the kernel, as well: 4M pages don't make much sense, since > you could, for example, exhaust KVA space with 250 kernel modules > (250 X (1 data + 1 code) * 4M = 2G). It doesn't use

Status on ftp servers?

2002-04-22 Thread Justin Heath
Any word on when current.freebsd.org or releng4.freebsd.org will be available again? I noticed some discussion of this dating back to February but did not see a final date. If it is still going to be down for a while anyone know of an alternative site? Thanks. Justin Heath To Unsubscribe: se

Re: lock order reversal and panic in kern_descrip.c

2002-04-22 Thread Jun Kuriyama
> No setuid executables ... it's a mystery to me how one encounters this > code path when running netscape :-( Hmmm, after patch about FILEDESC_LOCK (1.139), my netscape can run correctly. (@_@) -- Jun Kuriyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> // IMG SRC, Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> // FreeBSD P

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread Terry Lambert
"Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > First, alot of this stuff is slowly sinking in ... after repeatedly > reading it and waiting for the headache to disapate:) > > But, one thing that I'm still not clear on ... > > If I have 4Gig of RAM in a server, does it make any sense to have swap > space on that se

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread Terry Lambert
David Schultz wrote: > Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > If you want more, then you need to use a 64 bit processor (or use a > > processor that supports bank selection, and hack up FreeBSD to do > > bank swapping on 2G at a time, just like Linux has been hacked up, > > and expect t

Arla Port

2002-04-22 Thread Scott Sipe
Hi, I'm having trouble compiling the Arla (AFS) port on CURRENT, it looks like certain structures have changed. Is anyone running Arla on current? If it would be the right thing to do, I can post the errors here. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-

A very excite game

2002-04-22 Thread zajv
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buildkernel borken

2002-04-22 Thread thomas
-- >>> Kernel build for SHALMANESER started on Mon Apr 22 17:11:36 CEST 2002 -- ===> SHALMANESER [...] cd /usr/src/sys/modules ; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SHALMANESER

Re: kde3 on -current

2002-04-22 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > Kde3 seems to work great under -current, kdegames3 fails to compile > though. I get the following. Any ideas would be appreciated. > In file included from fcs.h:57, > from freecell.c:23: > md5.h:17: redefinition of `u_int32_t' >

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread Terry Lambert
Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote: > Take a look at this: > >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=245329+248644+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-hackers/20010624.freebsd-hackers This is actually no longer valid, since there have been changes to both the PDE caclcualtions and the kernel base

Re: Offtopic, but hilarious

2002-04-22 Thread Terry Lambert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This OS -- and its Darwin offspring -- > extensively use what are called "daemons" (which is how Pagans write > "demon" -- they are notoriously poor spellers: magick, vampyre, etc.) > which is a program that hides in the background, doing things without > the user's n

kde3 on -current

2002-04-22 Thread David W. Chapman Jr.
Kde3 seems to work great under -current, kdegames3 fails to compile though. I get the following. Any ideas would be appreciated. gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/games/kdegames3/work/kdegames-3.0/konquest' Making all in kpat gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/games/kdegames3/work

Re: lock order reversal and panic in kern_descrip.c

2002-04-22 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 01:20:07AM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > At Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:09:26 -0500, > Jacques A. Vidrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm curious ... could you send the output of > > > > pkg_info -L linux-netscape-navigator-4.79 | xargs ls -l > > Attached. No setuid executa

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-22 Thread sthaug
> > For the benefit of packet sniffers and other things that only want > > read-only access to /dev/bpf*, what do people think of adding a 'bpf' > > group for those programs? This allows bpf devices to be read by > > programs running with an effective gid of 'bpf' instead of the current > > requi

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 Developer Preview #1 Now Available / diskless booting

2002-04-22 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:40:44AM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > Since im very interested in diskless/dataless, and i've been at it for some > time now, i made some changes to libstand/bootp.c and /etc/rc.diskless1 > which i wouldn't mind receiving commnets/suggestions, and if possible > incorpora

Re: lock order reversal and panic in kern_descrip.c

2002-04-22 Thread Jun Kuriyama
> I have no idea about this. I'm portupgrade'ing linux_base, > linux-netscape-* port and I'll try this again. Hmm, I can reproduce this even after upgrading related ports... -- Jun Kuriyama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> // IMG SRC, Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscrib

Re: lock order reversal and panic in kern_descrip.c

2002-04-22 Thread Jun Kuriyama
At Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:09:26 -0500, Jacques A. Vidrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm curious ... could you send the output of > > pkg_info -L linux-netscape-navigator-4.79 | xargs ls -l Attached. > Also, does `/compat/linux/bin/sh' blow up for you? No, I can invoke this without problem..

Re: FreeBSD 5.0 Developer Preview #1 Now Available / diskless booting

2002-04-22 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:40:44AM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > Since im very interested in diskless/dataless, and i've been at it for some > time now, i made some changes to libstand/bootp.c and /etc/rc.diskless1 > which i wouldn't mind receiving commnets/suggestions, and if possible > incorpora

Re: /usr/tmp

2002-04-22 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 06:03:01PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > in FreeBSD 5.0 DP1 there is /usr/tmp > 2 drwxrwxrwt 2 root wheel 512 Apr 11 12:37 /usr/tmp/ > > any particular reason for this directory? I'm asking because i like to > keep / and /usr read only, and /tmp is linked to /usr/

Re: new expr(1) behaviour breaks libtool

2002-04-22 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said: >> > expr -lgrove : -l\(.*\) >> > expr -- -L/export/ports/textproc/jade/work/jade-1.2.1/lib/.libs : -l\(.*\) >> > If we are going to leave this behaviour, we will have to teach libtool >> > how to call expr(1) differently on -stable and -current and it looks >> > like yet again different

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread Marc G. Fournier
First, alot of this stuff is slowly sinking in ... after repeatedly reading it and waiting for the headache to disapate:) But, one thing that I'm still not clear on ... If I have 4Gig of RAM in a server, does it make any sense to have swap space on that server also? Again, from what I'm readin

Re: lock order reversal and panic in kern_descrip.c

2002-04-22 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:35:49PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > A kern_descrip.c is updated by tanimura after your r1.137. Could you > try with r1.138? Just updated to today's -CURRENT. I still cannot reproduce the issue. I'm curious ... could you send the output of pkg_info -L linux-netsc

Re: panic:bremfree with today's current and linux-netscape

2002-04-22 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:27:50PM +0300, Adrian Penisoara wrote: > > > How-to-repeat: launch linux-netscape while in X11 > > > > Are you absolutely sure all kernel modules are up to date? A > > sure-fire way to cause panics with linux applications is to use an > > out of date linux.ko. > >

Re: PAM & OpenSSH: two incorrect "last login"

2002-04-22 Thread Andrey A. Chernov
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 14:07:50 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Bill Fenner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > You could either pretend that yflag was not set (what ache was > > suggesting) or set yflag if the year of the last login was not > > this year (possibly more useful). > > ...or always

Re: DRM in the sys/ tree: looking for testers

2002-04-22 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Dag-Erling Smorgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Eric Anholt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Could people test this in-kernel DRM and tell me how it works for them? > Seems to work fine here (trusty ol' Matrox G200 w/8 MB). Is there a > particular DRI application I can use to somehow stress-test

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread Terry Lambert
"Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > You aren't going to be able to exceed 4G, no matter what you do, > > because that's the limit of your address space. > > > > If you want more, then you need to use a 64 bit processor (or use a > > processor that supports bank selection, and hack up FreeBSD to do > > b

Re: panic:bremfree with today's current and linux-netscape

2002-04-22 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 06:25:17PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Maxim Konovalov wrote: > > > As Adrian Penisoara already reported > > > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=19645+0+current/freebsd-current > > > > there is panic in -current. I believe it is related to

Re: panic:bremfree with today's current and linux-netscape

2002-04-22 Thread Adrian Penisoara
Hi, On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Bruce Evans wrote: > Yes; I forgot to write the clause about it only being equivalent to a > panic if certain options (mainly INVARIANTS) are configured. > > > do see that falloc does lock the file descriptor table too, though --- > > I wonder how it ever worked. > > I

Re: PAM & OpenSSH: two incorrect "last login"

2002-04-22 Thread Bill Fenner
>Might, might not. ISTR strftime() can't correctly emulate ctime(), >but some other format might be preferrable. Do you have a format >string handy? I'd think something like what "last" does would be good. d_first = (*nl_langinfo(D_MD_ORDER) == 'd'); ... (void) strftime(ct,

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-22 Thread Doug White
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > For the benefit of packet sniffers and other things that only want > read-only access to /dev/bpf*, what do people think of adding a 'bpf' > group for those programs? This allows bpf devices to be read by > programs running with an effective gid of

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a pretty > > > obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a KVA space large > > > enough that, once you su

Re: panic:bremfree with today's current and linux-netscape

2002-04-22 Thread Bruce Evans
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Jacques A. Vidrine wrote: > On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 06:25:17PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > > I use the same patch. Locking here is essentially equivalent to calling > > panic() here (except it gives a more confusing panic message :-). > > :-) That's a bit of an overstatemen

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread Vizion Communication
Test - Please ignore - Original Message - From: "David Schultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Terry Lambert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:09 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? > Thus

Re: lock order reversal and panic in kern_descrip.c

2002-04-22 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 11:28:41AM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > > Today's -current kernel. This happend when I invoke linux-netscape. Does it happen every time? I cannot reproduce it. What is odd is that fdcheckstd() is only called when exec'ing a set[ug]id executable -- any idea what set[ug]

Re: lock order reversal and panic in kern_descrip.c

2002-04-22 Thread Jun Kuriyama
At Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:32:39 -0500, Jacques A. Vidrine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does it happen every time? I cannot reproduce it. Yes. > What is odd is that fdcheckstd() is only called when exec'ing a > set[ug]id executable -- any idea what set[ug]id program is being > exec'd here? I have

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If you want more, then you need to use a 64 bit processor (or use a > processor that supports bank selection, and hack up FreeBSD to do > bank swapping on 2G at a time, just like Linux has been hacked up, > and expect that it won't be very useful).

Re: PAM & OpenSSH: two incorrect "last login"

2002-04-22 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Bill Fenner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You could either pretend that yflag was not set (what ache was > suggesting) or set yflag if the year of the last login was not > this year (possibly more useful). ...or always print the year. Does anybody have any patches? :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgr

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread Terry Lambert
"Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a pretty > > obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a KVA space large > > enough that, once you subtract out 4K for each 4M of physical memory and > >

Re: panic:bremfree with today's current and linux-netscape

2002-04-22 Thread Adrian Penisoara
Hi, On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 05:22:20PM +0300, Adrian Penisoara wrote: > > > Panicstring: bremfree: bp 0xc77fb678 not locked > > This isn't the real panic, it's a second panic caused by trying to > sync disks. D'oh... I hope the gdb trace left mor

FreeBSD 5.0 Developer Preview #1 Now Available / diskless booting

2002-04-22 Thread Danny Braniss
Haven't tried all the new stuff, but i've installed it on several different hosts and so far have had no real problems, good work!! Since im very interested in diskless/dataless, and i've been at it for some time now, i made some changes to libstand/bootp.c and /etc/rc.diskless1 which i wouldn't

Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ?

2002-04-22 Thread Terry Lambert
"Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a > > pretty obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a > > KVA space large enough that, once you subtract out 4K for each > > 4M of physical memory and swap (max 4G total for both), you > > end up

Re: panic:bremfree with today's current and linux-netscape

2002-04-22 Thread Bruce Evans
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Maxim Konovalov wrote: > As Adrian Penisoara already reported > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=19645+0+current/freebsd-current > > there is panic in -current. I believe it is related to the next > commit: > > nectar 2002/04/18 17:45:29 PDT > > Modified

Re: new expr(1) behaviour breaks libtool

2002-04-22 Thread Terry Lambert
John Hay wrote: > > > I see the new new behaviour of expr(1) requires you to add '--' if your > > > commandline arguments might start with a '-'. This does break things > > > a little because our old expr(1) does not understand a '--' in the > > > beginning and the new one don't work right without