Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Stijn Hoop
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:54:45PM -0500, Jeff Roberson wrote: I have commited libthr. To try this out you'll need to do the following I know very very little about threads, but I'm interested as to what the purpose is of this library. Is there a document available somewhere that describes the

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On (2003/04/02 01:54), Jeff Roberson wrote: It probably still needs some tweaking but it seems to be MUCH better now. New algorithm entirely. nice +20 processes will not run if anything else wants to. Some of us have been waiting for that behaviour for a long time (long before you started

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Stijn Hoop wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:54:45PM -0500, Jeff Roberson wrote: I have commited libthr. To try this out you'll need to do the following I know very very little about threads, but I'm interested as to what the purpose is of this library. Is there a document available

Re: FreeBSD/alpha kern.flp flood

2003-04-02 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 03:24:59PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 06:03:48PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: Anyway, I've committed the fix to release/Makefile that strips the .comment section out from the BOOTMFS kernel. If you

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Alexander Leidinger
On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 23:28:01 -0800 Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The primary performance reasoning behind a 1:1 kernel threading implementation, relative to the user space single kernel entry scheduler in the libc_r implementation is SMP scalability for threaded applications. I

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Bruce Evans
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/04/02 01:54), Jeff Roberson wrote: It probably still needs some tweaking but it seems to be MUCH better now. New algorithm entirely. nice +20 processes will not run if anything else wants to. Some of us have been waiting for that

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On (2003/04/02 21:48), Bruce Evans wrote: Some of us have been waiting for that behaviour for a long time (long before you started working on ULE). Er, this is the normal behaviour in FreeBSD-3.0 through FreeBSD-4.8, so you shouldn't have waited more than negative 4 years for it :-). The

Re: FreeBSD/alpha kern.flp flood

2003-04-02 Thread Bruce Evans
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 03:24:59PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 06:03:48PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: Anyway, I've committed the fix to release/Makefile that strips the

Re: bluetooth BW-BH02U reset failure

2003-04-02 Thread miniyan
Hello Maksim, [...] actually, i have added support for firmware download in ng_ubt(4) driver and ported Broadcom firmware download utility from Linux. this will be included into the next snapshot which will be realeased in a few days. It's good news. I'll try it. [...] Could not execute

Re: ULE nice behavior fixed.

2003-04-02 Thread Bruce Evans
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/04/02 21:48), Bruce Evans wrote: Some of us have been waiting for that behaviour for a long time (long before you started working on ULE). Er, this is the normal behaviour in FreeBSD-3.0 through FreeBSD-4.8, so you shouldn't have

[PATCH] ubsec driver update for Sun Crypto Accelerator 1000

2003-04-02 Thread Panagiotis Astithas
Hi, I have made a few modifications to the ubsec driver, in order to recognize and configure the Sun Crypto Accelerator 1000 PCI card. The card uses a Broadcom 5821 chip, so the modifications were minimal, but I still don't get very verbose info using pciconf -lv: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:18:0:

RFC 3514

2003-04-02 Thread qhwt
Hello, I'd be glad if you revert the change in rev 1.23 of sys/netinet/ip.h unless there's some special reason you can't undo your rfc3514 implementation. Thanks. (Yes, I regret not having been subscribed to cvs-all list...:) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Schultz
Hi, I hope that core will approve removing sendmail from FreeBSD-CURRENT. Thank you, Pete... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Alexander Leidinger wrote: On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 23:28:01 -0800 Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The primary performance reasoning behind a 1:1 kernel threading implementation, relative to the user space single kernel entry scheduler in the libc_r implementation is SMP scalability for

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Schultz wrote: Hi, I hope that core will approve removing sendmail from FreeBSD-CURRENT. I'm pretty sure they will, just as soon as someone provides patches to make installed base system components like sendmail into preinstalled packages, and then steps up and makes some other MTA and

breakage this morning

2003-04-02 Thread Michael W . Lucas
While I'm all for a sense of humor, and agree that implementation of the IP_EVIL flag is vital for FreeBSD to be a modern operating system, it stops being funny when it breaks world. ... === sbin/ping cc -O -pipe -march=pentiumpro -DIPSEC -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On (2003/04/02 06:05), Terry Lambert wrote: I think Jeff (or someone else?) said, that some web browsers gain something too (serialization issues with libc_r)? I had the impression that this also applies to UP systems. Do I misremember this? If not, does it not apply to UP systems as

Re: breakage this morning

2003-04-02 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On (2003/04/02 09:20), Michael W . Lucas wrote: While I'm all for a sense of humor, and agree that implementation of the IP_EVIL flag is vital for FreeBSD to be a modern operating system, it stops being funny when it breaks world. You sure you didn't get caught in the middle of a cvsup mirror

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Robert Watson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/04/02 06:05), Terry Lambert wrote: I think Jeff (or someone else?) said, that some web browsers gain something too (serialization issues with libc_r)? I had the impression that this also applies to UP systems. Do I misremember

Re: breakage this morning

2003-04-02 Thread Michael W . Lucas
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 04:30:55PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/04/02 09:20), Michael W . Lucas wrote: While I'm all for a sense of humor, and agree that implementation of the IP_EVIL flag is vital for FreeBSD to be a modern operating system, it stops being funny when it breaks

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/04/02 06:05), Terry Lambert wrote: Do I misremember this? If not, does it not apply to UP systems as well? FWIW: the libc_r reentrancy isn't fixed by a 1:1 model for anything but calls for which there are no non-blocking alternative kernel APIs. [...long

Re: breakage this morning

2003-04-02 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On (2003/04/02 09:43), Michael W . Lucas wrote: You sure you didn't get caught in the middle of a cvsup mirror sync? I have an IP_EVIL world and kernel running fine here. According to some folks on IRC, it was renamed to IP_EF in src/sys/netinet/ip.h, but not renamed in ping.c. I just

Re: breakage this morning

2003-04-02 Thread Maxim Konovalov
On 16:51+0200, Apr 2, 2003, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/04/02 09:43), Michael W . Lucas wrote: You sure you didn't get caught in the middle of a cvsup mirror sync? I have an IP_EVIL world and kernel running fine here. According to some folks on IRC, it was renamed to IP_EF in

Re: breakage this morning

2003-04-02 Thread Michael W . Lucas
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 06:53:22PM +0400, Maxim Konovalov wrote: On 16:51+0200, Apr 2, 2003, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/04/02 09:43), Michael W . Lucas wrote: You sure you didn't get caught in the middle of a cvsup mirror sync? I have an IP_EVIL world and kernel running fine

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Schultz
Terry Lambert wrote: Peter Schultz wrote: Hi, I hope that core will approve removing sendmail from FreeBSD-CURRENT. I'm pretty sure they will, just as soon as someone provides patches to make installed base system components like sendmail into preinstalled packages, and then steps up and makes

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Schultz writes: I'm sorry for beating a dead horse. This is the best summary so far on this subject. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Schultz wrote: Why not just have these logged by default instead? Like /var/log/daily, and whatnot. Anyone with half a care about this stuff can easily make their own modifications, those who don't care will never know the difference. Because syslog is unreliable. See BUGS section of

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Robert Watson wrote: You should notice marked interactivity and UI latency improvements with threaded GUI apps over libc_r because GUI threads will generally no longer be blocked when disk I/O and blocking I/O occurs. For example, applications like Open Office, Netscape, et al, really get a

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On (2003/04/02 07:38), Terry Lambert wrote: Is the disk I/O really that big of an issue? All writes will be on underlying non-blocking descriptors; I guess you are saying that the interleaved I/O is more important, further down the system call interface than the top, and this becomes an

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Dan Naumov
Terry Lambert wrote: Because syslog is unreliable. See BUGS section of the man page. Don't you think that if syslog is unreliable, then it should be fixed ? If things are as you say, we have 2 problems: Sendmail gettings CERTs every other day and an unreliable system logger. Would you rather

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Peter Schultz wrote: I'm sorry for beating a dead horse. A guy and I from tcbug were just trying to fix his postfix installation, he does not know what happened, it just stopped working. There would not have been a problem if sendmail wasn't tied into the system so

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Don
Don't you think that if syslog is unreliable, then it should be fixed ? If things are as you say, we have 2 problems: Sendmail gettings CERTs every other day and an unreliable system logger. Would you rather just let things be as they are ? Absolutely not! Fix the problems and they would be

Re: MIDI

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Schultz
David Schultz wrote: Thus spake Thanjee Neefam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was very happy when compiling my 5.0 kernel. For the first time device midi compiled without giving any errors. This abnormal excitement only led to misery when I discovered after rebooting that there still was no MIDI. Is MIDI

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Jens Rehsack
John Baldwin wrote: On 02-Apr-2003 Peter Schultz wrote: I'm sorry for beating a dead horse. A guy and I from tcbug were just trying to fix his postfix installation, he does not know what happened, it just stopped working. There would not have been a problem if sendmail wasn't tied into the

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread leafy
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:38:14AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Has anyone tried compiling X11 to use libthr? Someone reported success with KDE, so it should serve as a sign of working X11. Jiawei -- Without the userland, the kernel is useless. --inspired by

RE: MIDI

2003-04-02 Thread Yuriy Tsibizov
From: Peter Schultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] One interesting thing to note from that thread, is that Yuriy Tsibizov is into the development of this stuff, but does not have all the equipment needed to conduct testing. I don't know what hardware you have, but this is what he's been working

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Schultz
Terry Lambert wrote: If you look over the historical cases of this discussion, you'll see that the answer always comes down to make the system more modular, so people can replace XXX with YYY and quit bothering us; please send patches. 8-) 8-). Thanks for your help on this. I've been getting so

sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Evan Dower
Sendmail has not been working on my system for some time now. I can't say exactly how long, but my guess is that it broke when I upgraded to RELENG_5_0. This is how sendmail is invoked (by default) and it's output. # sendmail -L sm-mta -bd -q30m -ODaemonPortOptions=Addr=localhost 451 4.0.0 No

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Robert Watson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: Is the disk I/O really that big of an issue? All writes will be on underlying non-blocking descriptors; I guess you are saying that the interleaved I/O is more important, further down the system call interface than the top, and this becomes an issue?

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jens Rehsack writes: The problem I see with that is, that even a minimalistic base install installs things like sendmail, ppp, atm-stuff, g77 and so on. I really think splitting the base in some sub-parts would it make much easier to do NO_SENDMAIL on my own. So I

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Gregory Neil Shapiro
evantd Sendmail has not been working on my system for some time now. I evantd can't say exactly how long, but my guess is that it broke when I evantd upgraded to RELENG_5_0. This is how sendmail is invoked (by evantd default) and it's output. evantd # sendmail -L sm-mta -bd -q30m

Re: FreeBSD/alpha kern.flp flood

2003-04-02 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Bruce Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: FreeBSD/alpha kern.flp flood ] I'd hardly call it a bug, since style(9) explicitly says C files should use __FBSDID(). Another bug. __FBSDID() is is not normally used in the kernel. E.g., rev.1.1 of almost

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Schultz
John Baldwin wrote: On 02-Apr-2003 Peter Schultz wrote: I'm sorry for beating a dead horse. A guy and I from tcbug were just trying to fix his postfix installation, he does not know what happened, it just stopped working. There would not have been a problem if sendmail wasn't tied into the

Re: FreeBSD/alpha kern.flp flood

2003-04-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 01:44:39PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: Most of the savings from stripping commits is from removing verbose compiler id GCC: (GNU) 3.2.1 [FreeBSD] 20021119 (release). ... David, can we get rid of the .comment section for the normal builds too, or at least not put

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Dan Naumov
On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:59:25 -0600 Peter Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [x] sendmail ... (default) [ ] postfix ... [ ] exim ... [ ] qmail ... [ ] none (caution: desktop users only, insecure use of syslog) AFAIK, sendmail, postfix and none are the options presented to the user during the

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Evan Dower
Hurray! With the addition of a make install, that worked wonderfully. I have no idea what was wrong with my sendmail.cf but at least now I can read the output from periodic. Thanks a lot, Evan Dower From: Gregory Neil Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Evan Dower [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Nate Williams
You should notice marked interactivity and UI latency improvements with threaded GUI apps over libc_r because GUI threads will generally no longer be blocked when disk I/O and blocking I/O occurs. For example, applications like Open Office, Netscape, et al, really get a lot better with

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Nate Williams
evantd Sendmail has not been working on my system for some time now. I evantd can't say exactly how long, but my guess is that it broke when I evantd upgraded to RELENG_5_0. This is how sendmail is invoked (by evantd default) and it's output. evantd # sendmail -L sm-mta -bd -q30m

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Schultz writes: : I hope that core will approve removing sendmail from FreeBSD-CURRENT. Request denied. 1) you made no case for it: Everybdoy knows this is a contentious issue, yet no reasons were given. 2) You cc'd core and a public mailing list. Don't

IPv6 MTU bug?

2003-04-02 Thread Craig Boston
I was trying some network diagnostics yesterday and needed to generate a continuous stream of small packets going across a few routers. So I used ifconfig to set my MTU to some very low values (100, 300, 500, and a few others). I know there's probably a better way to accomplish that, but

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 06:01:01PM +0200, Jens Rehsack wrote: The problem I see with that is, that even a minimalistic base install installs things like sendmail, ppp, atm-stuff, g77 and so on. I would love to see the toolchain broken out into its own tarball like NetBSD. It isn't a simple

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Jens Rehsack
David O'Brien wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 06:01:01PM +0200, Jens Rehsack wrote: The problem I see with that is, that even a minimalistic base install installs things like sendmail, ppp, atm-stuff, g77 and so on. I would love to see the toolchain broken out into its own tarball like NetBSD.

Re: breakage this morning

2003-04-02 Thread Matthew N. Dodd
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Michael W . Lucas wrote: Thank you very much! Sorry about the breakage. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL| ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | For Great

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Jens Rehsack wrote: John Baldwin wrote: On 02-Apr-2003 Peter Schultz wrote: I'm sorry for beating a dead horse. A guy and I from tcbug were just trying to fix his postfix installation, he does not know what happened, it just stopped working. There would not have been a

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread The Anarcat
On Wed Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: I really think splitting the base in some sub-parts would it make much easier to do NO_SENDMAIL on my own. So I had to remove each not required file separately. That's no good solution. [stepping back a bit ] I find an

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Baldwin writes: I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system up into small packages for each little piece of the base. On the other hand, one of FreeBSD's selling points

Some ports not -current compatible?

2003-04-02 Thread Scott R.
I tried soliciting ports@ and questions@ for answers to these questions, but no answers were volunteered which leads me to believe that these issues may be specific to -current. I'm hoping someone can give me a clue as to what the problem is or at least give me a pointer (have searched

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Maybe this page could also contain an option to show the list of files, and maybe even a backwards option to tell which options are involved in a particular file or directorys existence. So, to answer you question: I like it as it is where I

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Dan Naumov
On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:29:30 -0500 (EST) John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system up into small packages for each little piece of the base. On the other hand,

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: ... [stepping back a bit ] I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system up into small packages for each little piece of the base. On

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Harti Brandt
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Dan Naumov wrote: DNOn Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:29:30 -0500 (EST) DNJohn Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DN DN I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the DN one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system DN up into small packages for

sio problem in -current (COM1)

2003-04-02 Thread Cagle, John (ISS-Houston)
I'm having a problem with -current on a ProLiant BL10e blade server. On the blade server, we use a serial console on sio0/COM1. This works perfectly with 4.8, but for some reason, the sio driver doesn't see COM1 at all, and assigns COM2 resources to sio0. Any pointers to where I should look

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Dan Naumov
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:40 +0200 Wilko Bulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system up into small

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: Robert Watson wrote: You should notice marked interactivity and UI latency improvements with threaded GUI apps over libc_r because GUI threads will generally no longer be blocked when disk I/O and blocking I/O occurs. For example, applications

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 11:28:53PM +0300, Dan Naumov wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:40 +0200 Wilko Bulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the one hand, people are

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Jeff Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask handing bug in libthr? Might not be safe to convert everything up front, in a rush of eager

mbuf LOR

2003-04-02 Thread Nate Lawson
I was testing some changes to make fxp MPSAFE and got a LOR in allocating the mbuf cluster and then finally a panic when trying to dereference the cluster header. Is the mbuf system MPSAFE? Is it ok to call m_getcl with a device lock held (but not Giant)? The lock reversal was: 1. fxp softc

Re: IBM T30 USB issue: kernel: uhub2: device problem, disabling

2003-04-02 Thread Maksim Yevmenkin
Dear Hackers, [ for archive purposes ] all the USB stack debug traces are available at http://www.geocities.com/m_evmenkin/usb/ i also managed to get USB dumps from W2K that runs on the same laptop. http://www.geocities.com/m_evmenkin/usb/USB_HUB.LOG trace when W2K attach the second hub

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Julian St.
Am Mi, 2003-04-02 um 22.28 schrieb Dan Naumov: I think being able to update just about ANYTHING, except the kernel without the need for a reboot is one of the best features of Linux and actual advantages it has over FreeBSD. I see no real barriers at updating utility or library of your choice

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Schultz
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 10:27:04AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Schultz writes: : I hope that core will approve removing sendmail from FreeBSD-CURRENT. Request denied. 1) you made no case for it: Everybdoy knows this is a contentious issue, yet no

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Jeff Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask handing bug in libthr? Might not be safe to convert

Something in NFS server calling vrele() not vput()?

2003-04-02 Thread Robert Watson
Unfortunately, I don't have too much information here. The scenario is as follows: cboss: NFS file/build server crash2: NFS diskless client I built world on cboss; I then did installworld in crash2. I intended to installworld to a DESTDIR on a local disk on crash2, but I failed to mount it

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Wemm
Terry Lambert wrote: Jun Su wrote: [ ... 1:1 kernel threads implementation ... ] A benchmark would be interested. This request doesn't make sense. The primary performance reasoning behind a 1:1 kernel threading implementation, relative to the user space single kernel entry

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Oleg V. Nauman
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 10:26:03AM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: evantd Sendmail has not been working on my system for some time now. I evantd can't say exactly how long, but my guess is that it broke when I evantd upgraded to RELENG_5_0. This is how sendmail is invoked (by evantd default)

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Jeff Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask handing

more robust handling of removable devices in GEOM.

2003-04-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
This commit (hopefully) improves the situation when a media is removed quickly after it appeared. (A number of people have reported this with USB devices). There are still a couple of minor races. Poul-Henning In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Poul-Henning Kamp writes: phk 2003/04/02

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Sheldon Hearn wrote: On (2003/04/02 07:38), Terry Lambert wrote: Is the disk I/O really that big of an issue? All writes will be on underlying non-blocking descriptors; I guess you are saying that the interleaved I/O is more important, further down the system call interface than the top,

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Jeff Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask handing bug in libthr? Might not be safe to

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Jeff Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask handing

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Dan Naumov wrote: Terry Lambert wrote: Because syslog is unreliable. See BUGS section of the man page. Don't you think that if syslog is unreliable, then it should be fixed ? Sure. You should definitely fix it; you'll need to figure out a way to know whether we've run out of mbufs, or

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Dan Naumov wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:40 +0200 Wilko Bulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the one hand, people are always wanting to split the

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Jens Rehsack wrote: John Baldwin wrote: First, core@ is not the appropriate body for that type of request. Both current@ and arch@ are much better targets. Second, is NO_SENDMAIL + the postfix port inadequate? The problem I see with that is, that even a minimalistic base install

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
leafy wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:38:14AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Has anyone tried compiling X11 to use libthr? Someone reported success with KDE, so it should serve as a sign of working X11. Not X11 clients. The X11 server. -- Terry

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] leafy wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:38:14AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Has anyone tried compiling X11 to use libthr? Someone reported success with KDE, so it should serve

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: leafy wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:38:14AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Has anyone tried compiling X11 to use libthr? Someone reported success with KDE, so it should serve as a sign of working X11. Not X11 clients. The X11 server. Gee, I

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Scott Long
Terry Lambert wrote: leafy wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:38:14AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: Has anyone tried compiling X11 to use libthr? Someone reported success with KDE, so it should serve as a sign of working X11. Not X11 clients. The X11 server. -- Terry

LOR in PCM (big suprise there)

2003-04-02 Thread Gordon Tetlow
Just thought I would report it: lock order reversal 1st 0xc61f5940 pcm0 (sound softc) @ /local/usr.src/sys/dev/sound/pci/cmi.c:520 2nd 0xc6209e80 pcm0:play:0 (pcm channel) @ /local/usr.src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/channel.c:440 Stack backtrace: backtrace(c04e759f,c6209e80,c61a9b54,c06a2127,c06a21a5)

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Schultz wrote: Terry Lambert wrote: If you look over the historical cases of this discussion, you'll see that the answer always comes down to make the system more modular, so people can replace XXX with YYY and quit bothering us; please send patches. 8-) 8-). Thanks for your

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Note: This should have been posted to -questions, not -current. Evan Dower wrote: Sendmail has not been working on my system for some time now. I can't say exactly how long, but my guess is that it broke when I upgraded to RELENG_5_0. This is how sendmail is invoked (by default) and it's

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Jens Rehsack
Terry Lambert wrote: Jens Rehsack wrote: John Baldwin wrote: First, core@ is not the appropriate body for that type of request. Both current@ and arch@ are much better targets. Second, is NO_SENDMAIL + the postfix port inadequate? The problem I see with that is, that even a minimalistic base

Re: Removing Sendmail

2003-04-02 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2003-04-02 23:28, Dan Naumov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:40 +0200 Wilko Bulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the one hand, people are always wanting

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread Nate Williams
evantd Sendmail has not been working on my system for some time now. I evantd can't say exactly how long, but my guess is that it broke when I evantd upgraded to RELENG_5_0. This is how sendmail is invoked (by evantd default) and it's output. evantd # sendmail -L sm-mta -bd

Re: sendmail: no local mailer

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: Note: This should have been posted to -questions, not -current. Please read the other replies before sending your own. His sendmail.cf was empty and the problem was quickly diagnosed and fixed a while ago. -- John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Julian Elischer wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Jeff Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: Also, any ETA on the per process signal mask

Re: mbuf LOR

2003-04-02 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Nate Lawson writes: I was testing some changes to make fxp MPSAFE and got a LOR in allocating the mbuf cluster and then finally a panic when trying to dereference the cluster header. Is the mbuf system MPSAFE? Is it ok to call m_getcl with a device lock held (but not Giant)? The

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Julian Elischer wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Jeff Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1 threading. ] On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote:

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Robert Watson wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: Is the disk I/O really that big of an issue? All writes will be on underlying non-blocking descriptors; I guess you are saying that the interleaved I/O is more important, further down the system call interface than the top,

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Daniel Eischen wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Roberson wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Julian Elischer wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Jeff Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-04-02 ] [ Subjecte: Re: libthr and 1:1

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread John Baldwin
On 02-Apr-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: The only way I see for disk I/O to be involved in Mozilla is in local cache? You can turn that off. Umm, the idea here is to actually make threaded programs _useful_. Not to require that you trim their functionality down before we handle them in a sane

Re: libthr and 1:1 threading.

2003-04-02 Thread Peter Wemm
John Baldwin wrote: On 02-Apr-2003 Terry Lambert wrote: The only way I see for disk I/O to be involved in Mozilla is in local cache? You can turn that off. Umm, the idea here is to actually make threaded programs _useful_. Not to require that you trim their functionality down before

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