Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread b. f.
2010/8/16 Dag-Erling Smørgrav : > Doug Barton writes: >> lua   too "flavor of the day," not enough track record of stability, >>       not enough installed base/proven utility > > You're wrong.  Lua has been around for ages and is especially widely > used as a game scripting engine.  It is not int

Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?

2010-08-16 Thread lhmwzy
Thanks for your reply. 2010/8/17 Mark Linimon : > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:21:07PM +0800, lhmwzy wrote: >> opensolaris is gone > > It appears there will be a fork, but that's not particularly crucial > to FreeBSD. > >> ZFS also gone. > > We're not going to drop ZFS because Oracle's plans are unc

Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?

2010-08-16 Thread Mark Linimon
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:21:07PM +0800, lhmwzy wrote: > opensolaris is gone It appears there will be a fork, but that's not particularly crucial to FreeBSD. > ZFS also gone. We're not going to drop ZFS because Oracle's plans are unclear. It remains to be seen how much other community support

Re: Official request: Please make GNU grep the default

2010-08-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/16/2010 03:42, Dimitry Andric wrote: On 2010-08-15 21:49, Dimitry Andric wrote: ...I have attached a more complete patch that: - Replaces the horrendously inefficient grep_fgetln() with mostly the same implementation as the libc fgetln() function. - Uses plain file descriptors instead

ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?

2010-08-16 Thread lhmwzy
opensolaris is gone,ZFS also gone. Will FreeBSD import btrfs or other similar file system? ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...

Re: better way than hacking termcap to be ca_mode free

2010-08-16 Thread Stuart Barkley
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 at 04:50 -, Randy Bush wrote: > is there a better way to achieve this? I'm not sure what ca_mode is, but I have the following in my .Xresources file: XTerm*tiXtraScroll: true XTerm*titeInhibit: true These get rid of the silly alternate screen in vi, etc. There

Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/16/2010 00:47, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: If I only wanted a kernel and everything else as installable packages, I might as well use one of the Linux distributions. That wasn't at all what I said, or what I was suggesting. There is a middle ground between "everything is a package" and the

Performance AMD Phenom II X6 1090T

2010-08-16 Thread Vladislav V. Prodan
Is there anyone using AMD Phenom II X6 1090T? What can you say about it's performance? Have you any tasks that use all 6-cores? Does it balance workload between all 6 cores properly? I am interested how it will work specifically under 8.1-RELEASE and 9.0-CURRENT. ___

Re: Official request: Please make GNU grep the default

2010-08-16 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 2010.08.16. 16:11, Dag-Erling Smørgrav escreveu: "Sean C. Farley" writes: Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: Did you actually test your patch? It makes absolutely no measurable difference. Yes, I saw a reduction, I didn't... I also saw a reduction by 8-30% dependin

Re: Official request: Please make GNU grep the default

2010-08-16 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Em 2010.08.15. 21:49, Dimitry Andric escreveu: GNU grep Elapsed time: 57 seconds BSD grep (original) Elapsed time: 820 seconds (~14.4x slower than GNU grep) BSD grep (quickfixed) Elapsed time: 115 seconds (~2.0x slower than GNU grep) It proves that getting rid of the fgetc'

Re: LOR on nfs: vfs_vnops.c:301 kern_descrip.c:1580

2010-08-16 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 09:07:24PM +0400, pluknet wrote: > On 16 August 2010 21:05, pluknet wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Seeing on mostly idle, recently updated current, while closing a file. > > Presumably never reported on ML. > > > > lock order reversal: > >  1st 0xff00198199f8 nfs (nfs) @ /usr/s

Re: LOR on nfs: vfs_vnops.c:301 kern_descrip.c:1580

2010-08-16 Thread pluknet
On 16 August 2010 21:05, pluknet wrote: > Hi. > > Seeing on mostly idle, recently updated current, while closing a file. > Presumably never reported on ML. > > lock order reversal: >  1st 0xff00198199f8 nfs (nfs) @ /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_vnops.c:301 >  2nd 0xff000234a048 filedesc structure

LOR on nfs: vfs_vnops.c:301 kern_descrip.c:1580

2010-08-16 Thread pluknet
Hi. Seeing on mostly idle, recently updated current, while closing a file. Presumably never reported on ML. lock order reversal: 1st 0xff00198199f8 nfs (nfs) @ /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_vnops.c:301 2nd 0xff000234a048 filedesc structure (filedesc structure) @ /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_descrip.c

Re: better way than hacking termcap to be ca_mode free

2010-08-16 Thread Anonymous
Randy Bush writes: > is there a better way to achieve this? Not sure about ~/.termcap but you can just override ti/te via TERMCAP in environment. $ export TERM=${TERM:-xterm} $ export TERMCAP=${TERM}:ti@:te@:tc=${TERM}: > > *** termcap.FCS Tue Jun 17 15:10:46 2003 > --- termcap Tue Jun

Re: Official request: Please make GNU grep the default

2010-08-16 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
"Sean C. Farley" writes: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > > Did you actually test your patch? It makes absolutely no measurable > > difference. > Yes, I saw a reduction, I didn't... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-current@freebsd

Re: Official request: Please make GNU grep the default

2010-08-16 Thread Sean C. Farley
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: "Sean C. Farley" writes: This should trim some time off BSD grep. Did you actually test your patch? It makes absolutely no measurable difference. Yes, I saw a reduction, using the first test script Doug provided, from 36 to 27 seconds. I

Re: Official request: Please make GNU grep the default

2010-08-16 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Aug-16 10:55:18 +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >It might be worth a shot adding mmap(2) support as well, i.e. when >processing an uncompressed regular file, try to mmap(2) it first, and if >that fails, fall back to the plain buffered read(2) method. Note that ZFS and mmap() don't get o

Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread Ivan Voras
2010/8/16 Dag-Erling Smørgrav : > Doug Barton writes: >> lua   too "flavor of the day," not enough track record of stability, >>       not enough installed base/proven utility > > You're wrong.  Lua has been around for ages and is especially widely > used as a game scripting engine.  It is not int

Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
> zsh     less POSIX-compliant, oddly deviant from "standard" >        bourne-derived shells which makes graybeards break out in hives >        also, see ruby under user community ZSH has a POSIX-compliant interface through emulate -L sh or by naming (linking) zsh binary sh. even if the man page

Re: Official request: Please make GNU grep the default

2010-08-16 Thread Dimitry Andric
On 2010-08-15 21:49, Dimitry Andric wrote: > ...I > have attached a more complete patch that: > > - Replaces the horrendously inefficient grep_fgetln() with mostly the > same implementation as the libc fgetln() function. > - Uses plain file descriptors instead of struct FILE, since the > buffe

Scripting language in base [was Re: Official request: Please make GNU grep the default]

2010-08-16 Thread Peter Jeremy
Since this is now well off the original topic. On 2010-Aug-15 12:57:23 +0200, Ivan Voras wrote: >This is my long-term point - it really would be beneficial to have an >alternative, richer language in base which would fall between the >categories of "a good system language but far too complex for

Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Doug Barton writes: > lua too "flavor of the day," not enough track record of stability, > not enough installed base/proven utility You're wrong. Lua has been around for ages and is especially widely used as a game scripting engine. It is not intended as a standalone language, but as an

Re: Runaway intr, not flash related

2010-08-16 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 16 August 2010 13:09, Doug Barton wrote: >> Can you remember the revision number of the last >> version of -CURRENT that didn't have these problems? > > It was at least a year ago, so no; I can't remember specifically. Have you tried running software build(s) from ~ 1.5 years ago to see wheth

Re: Official request: Please make GNU grep the default

2010-08-16 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Dimitry Andric writes: > - Uses plain file descriptors instead of struct FILE, since the > buffering is done manually anyway, and it makes it easier to support > gzip and bzip2. It might be worth a shot adding mmap(2) support as well, i.e. when processing an uncompressed regular file, try to

better way than hacking termcap to be ca_mode free

2010-08-16 Thread Randy Bush
is there a better way to achieve this? randy *** termcap.FCS Tue Jun 17 15:10:46 2003 --- termcap Tue Jun 17 15:14:15 2003 *** *** 299,305 adm3|3|lsi adm3:\ :do=^J:am:le=^H:bs:cl=^Z:li#24:ma=^K^P:co#80: xterm|xterm-color|X11 terminal emulator:\ ! :ti@:te@:t

Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread Bernd Walter
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 09:47:40AM +0200, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > > Personally, I think the whole "base" and "ports" thing is an artificial > > divide that is rapidly losing utility. I think we're past due for > > stripping the FreeBSD "base" down to a much more bare minimum, and > > having a

Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread Michael Reifenberger
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: ... PS: The sickening irony is that today we have two embedded languages, one in the kernel even, and it is the most crappy ones you can imagine: Forth and ACPI. Besides the syntax FORTH ist the only embeddable high level language which has both in

Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread sthaug
> Personally, I think the whole "base" and "ports" thing is an artificial > divide that is rapidly losing utility. I think we're past due for > stripping the FreeBSD "base" down to a much more bare minimum, and > having a lot more of the bells and whistles live in the ports tree. Strongly disag

Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Doug Barton writes: >On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, Ivan Voras wrote: >> This is my long-term point - [...] Some of use were 12 years ahead of you :-) >I sort of agree with you here, but I don't. :) ONE of the reasons that >perl was axed [...] Actually, let me put that stuff on the record,

Re: Interpreted language(s) in the base

2010-08-16 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:15:55PM -0700 I heard the voice of Doug Barton, and lo! it spake thus: > > However, a bigger reason was that it was impossible to marry our > concept of a "stable" branch with the ever-evolving world that was > perl. This one at least is conceptually pretty easy to solv