Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-28 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: If your system is spending a lot of time moving data to and from swap when it is not memory-starved, or if it is stalling memory allocations that it should be able to fulfill from free RAM, that's a concern. That is exactly it. I emphaises th words " when it is not memor

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-26 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote this message on Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 10:04 +0200: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ahmed Al-Hindawi" writes > Programs like cp(1) uses mmap(2) to copy things, so if you cp(1) a big > file, it is not uncommon for some programs to end up on swap. Until they Only for files

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-26 Thread Steve Kargl
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 11:22:00PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Shawn wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 02:21, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > You probably can't get away with the old gcc, since the binary > > > format changed For No Good Reason(tm). > > > > Didn't the GNU people say they had to change

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-26 Thread Ahmed Al-Hindawi
thanks for all the help guys, I appreciate it. And sorry for using the word "dude"; I got a little agitated because people always expact them selves to be superior than youself because you are the one asking the question and they are answering!! Thanks anyway ___

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ahmed Al-Hindawi" writes : >>If your system is spending a lot of time moving data to and from swap when >>it is not memory-starved, or if it is stalling memory allocations that it >>should be able to fulfill from free RAM, that's a concern. > >That is exactly it.

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-26 Thread Ahmed Al-Hindawi
If your system is spending a lot of time moving data to and from swap when it is not memory-starved, or if it is stalling memory allocations that it should be able to fulfill from free RAM, that's a concern. That is exactly it. I emphaises th words " when it is not memory-starved ". It isn't mem

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Terry Lambert
Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: > dude, I have a third of my memory free!! Dude, there's a difference between "free" and "available". Dude, what makes you think that the swap in use doesn't refer to pages that are also in main memory, but marked clean because they've already been written to a backing sto

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Terry Lambert
Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: > It is simply swapping when it shouldn't. > > Opening Mozilla, Opera, Netscape, DrJava, jEdit, Emacs, PrBoom, XBubbles, > and Nautilus at the same time on a 233Mhz machine should fill up the memory > (160Mb) but instead it has decided to use the swap disk for a measly 50Mb

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Terry Lambert
Shawn wrote: > On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 02:21, Terry Lambert wrote: > > You probably can't get away with the old gcc, since the binary > > format changed For No Good Reason(tm). > > Didn't the GNU people say they had to change it to be more ABI compliant > with the 'standard'? I will believe that wh

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Matthias Buelow
Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: dude, I have a third of my memory free!! does vmstat agree? is kernel/userland in sync? -- Matthias Buelow; [EMAIL PROTECTED],informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de} ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/li

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Shawn
On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 15:00, Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: > dude, I have a third of my memory free!! Please read the following: http://www.daemonnews.org/21/freebsd_vm.html The above will give great indepth examples of how one version (I assume it's still the same roughly) of the FreeBSD VM works.

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Ahmed Al-Hindawi
dude, I have a third of my memory free!! _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://list

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Tim Kientzle
Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: This is not the problem. We know what is the purpose of swap data. It is swaping when there is more than suffiecient memory to do so. There is disk activity on the swap disk (I have a seperate disk for faster access) even when there is enough memory to suit my request and

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: This is not the problem. We know what is the purpose of swap data. It is swaping when there is more than suffiecient memory to do so. There is disk activity on the swap disk (I have a seperate disk for faster access) even when there is enough memory to suit my request and

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Ahmed Al-Hindawi
This is not the problem. We know what is the purpose of swap data. It is swaping when there is more than suffiecient memory to do so. There is disk activity on the swap disk (I have a seperate disk for faster access) even when there is enough memory to suit my request and more. It is simply swa

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Ahmed Al-Hindawi
hi, I recompiled my kernel yesterday and that game me an entire 4Mb more...WOW!! sarcasim killed the cat, but anyway. A debug option, *NOT THE* degug option, in the config file of the kernel was activated so I commented the line out and I got an extra 4Mb !! WOW. It was this line: Options

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Shawn
On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 02:21, Terry Lambert wrote: > You probably can't get away with the old gcc, since the binary > format changed For No Good Reason(tm). Didn't the GNU people say they had to change it to be more ABI compliant with the 'standard'? -- Shawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://drevil.war

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Jeremy Messenger wrote: Well, the 5.0, old -CURRENT and 4.8 have never touch the swap, until 5.1- CURRENT. My system has 256mb ram and it's always touch swap now. If I compile some stuff, sometime it will get around 300mb swap. Current, I only have Gnome 2.3.x and Opera running, so what my top l

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Terry Lambert
Jeremy Messenger wrote: > Well, it still should not touch the swap since I have very few stuff > running with 256mb ram. I just reboot and start with Gnome 2.3.x and Opera, > then doing the update (compile/install) gnome-panel. Now, it's already use > the swap in minutes and later hours I will get

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-25 Thread Terry Lambert
Jeremy Messenger wrote: > Well, the 5.0, old -CURRENT and 4.8 have never touch the swap, until 5.1- > CURRENT. My system has 256mb ram and it's always touch swap now. If I > compile some stuff, sometime it will get around 300mb swap. Current, I only > have Gnome 2.3.x and Opera running, so what my

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-24 Thread Jeremy Messenger
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:46:12 -0400, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:53:21 -0400, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: Hi, I have 160Mb of SDRAM (PC100) on a 233Mhz CyrixInstead machine and I seem to have memory manga

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-24 Thread Bill Moran
Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:53:21 -0400, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: Hi, I have 160Mb of SDRAM (PC100) on a 233Mhz CyrixInstead machine and I seem to have memory mangament problems. The BIOS indicates I have 160, so does the BSD bootstrap prog

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-24 Thread Jeremy Messenger
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:53:21 -0400, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: Hi, I have 160Mb of SDRAM (PC100) on a 233Mhz CyrixInstead machine and I seem to have memory mangament problems. The BIOS indicates I have 160, so does the BSD bootstrap program. When I launch GNOME

Re: Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-24 Thread Bill Moran
Ahmed Al-Hindawi wrote: Hi, I have 160Mb of SDRAM (PC100) on a 233Mhz CyrixInstead machine and I seem to have memory mangament problems. The BIOS indicates I have 160, so does the BSD bootstrap program. When I launch GNOME 2.2 everythings is good as gold untill I open the System monitor program.

Memory Mangement Problem in 5.1-RELEASE

2003-07-24 Thread Ahmed Al-Hindawi
Hi, I have 160Mb of SDRAM (PC100) on a 233Mhz CyrixInstead machine and I seem to have memory mangament problems. The BIOS indicates I have 160, so does the BSD bootstrap program. When I launch GNOME 2.2 everythings is good as gold untill I open the System monitor program. It says that I have 149