Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Julian Elischer wrote: If it is to be counted as my only achivement on -core that I timed out SLICE and DEVFS, I'll still be proud of what I did there. Well you timed them out without askling the developer what he had in the wings and that was more than impolite, it was stupid, because

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ju lian Elischer writes: Well you timed them out without askling the developer what he had in the wings and that was more than impolite, it was stupid, because most of the shortcomings of devfs and SLICE had been solved and all I was waiting for was the CAM

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-17 Thread Greg Lehey
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Your MUA wraps incorrectly. On Friday, 17 August 2001 at 9:16:59 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Julian Elischer writes: Well you timed them out without askling the developer what he had in

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-17 Thread Terry Lambert
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Julian Elischer writes: Well you timed them out without askling the developer what he had in the wings and that was more than impolite, it was stupid, because most of the shortcomings of devfs and SLICE had been solved and all I was waiting for was the CAM

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-17 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Terry Lambert wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Julian Elischer writes: Well you timed them out without askling the developer what he had in the wings and that was more than impolite, it was stupid, because most of the shortcomings of devfs and SLICE had been

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ju lian Elischer writes: On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Terry Lambert wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Julian Elischer writes: Well you timed them out without askling the developer what he had in the wings and that was more than impolite, it was stupid, because

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-16 Thread Greg Lehey
On Thursday, 16 August 2001 at 6:36:45 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Lehey writes: On Wednesday, 15 August 2001 at 19:17:47 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ju lian Elischer writes: the lack of subdirectory support is a

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Lehey writes: ls -la /dev/fd What am I supposed to see there? I get three character devices, all mounted on /dev directly. Uhm, have you forgotten how ls(1) works ? No. Try this then: ls -lad /dev/fd /dev/fd/[012] Hmm. Strange. Last time

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-16 Thread Bruce Evans
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: On Thursday, 16 August 2001 at 6:36:45 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Lehey writes: In view of the fact that this thread is about deficiencies in your devfs, this is particularly uncalled for. One of the reasons

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-16 Thread Julian Elischer
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: After 3 years I gave up on the hope that it would ever be fixed well enough to become politically acceptable. After 6 years I removed it. A quick script run on the cvs tree paints this picture of number of commits to src/sys/miscfs/devfs

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ju lian Elischer writes: A quick script run on the cvs tree paints this picture of number of commits to src/sys/miscfs/devfs per year: julian phk other 199556 3 15 199620

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-16 Thread Michael Lucas
[cc's trimmed] John, Thanks for the suggestion, I appreciate it. I did as you suggested (diff below). It paniced again, but this time savecore said dump time is unreasonable. The short panic message was: panicstr: bremfree: bp 0xcc2a1ae4 not locked Looks like the same thing to me, sorry.

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-16 Thread John Baldwin
On 16-Aug-01 Michael Lucas wrote: [cc's trimmed] John, Thanks for the suggestion, I appreciate it. I did as you suggested (diff below). It paniced again, but this time savecore said dump time is unreasonable. The short panic message was: panicstr: bremfree: bp 0xcc2a1ae4 not

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-16 Thread Julian Elischer
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ju lian Elischer writes: A quick script run on the cvs tree paints this picture of number of commits to src/sys/miscfs/devfs per year: julian phk other 199556

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-16 Thread Julian Elischer
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ju lian Elischer writes: A quick script run on the cvs tree paints this picture of number of commits to src/sys/miscfs/devfs per year: julian phk other 199556

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-16 Thread Boris Popov
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Julian feels he has no avenue of recourse and gives up..-- if (!strcmp(DEVFS, SLICE)) return (ECONFUSED); Julian, you had four years, during which you didn't even manage to make half of the commits made to the DEVFS code

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton
+---[ Poul-Henning Kamp ]-- | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Kenneth Milton | writes: | +---[ Greg Lehey ]-- | | | | [snip] | | | whether it's been fixed. Basically, devfs as supplied in CURRENT had | | a 16 character limit on device

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Kenneth Milton writes: The problem turns up most violently within the XFree86 DRI Module, since it now uses make_dev, and not mknod as it used to. The DRI Module first attempts to mkdir /dev/dri/, and then for each card it supports attempts to use

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton
+---[ Poul-Henning Kamp ]-- | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Kenneth Milton | writes: | | The problem turns up most violently within the XFree86 DRI Module, since | it now uses make_dev, and not mknod as it used to. | | The DRI Module first attempts to mkdir

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Kenneth Milton writes: +---[ Poul-Henning Kamp ]-- | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Kenneth Milton | writes: | | The problem turns up most violently within the XFree86 DRI Module, since | it now uses make_dev, and not mknod as

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread Michael Lucas
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:21:39AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: On Tuesday, 14 August 2001 at 19:26:09 -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: Before I start generating crash dumps etc., are there any gotchas with Vinum -current? I'm using devfs on a SMP system, upgraded 3 days ago. I get a panic

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton
+---[ Poul-Henning Kamp ]-- | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Kenneth Milton | writes: | +---[ Poul-Henning Kamp ]-- | | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Kenneth Milton | | writes: | | | | The problem turns up most violently within the

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread Julian Elischer
the lack of subdirectory support is a pitty. it was a primary design goal in the previous devfs and its disappearance caught me by surprise. (the support I mean) On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: +---[ Poul-Henning Kamp ]-- | In message [EMAIL

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ju lian Elischer writes: the lack of subdirectory support is a pitty. There is support for subdirectories: ls -la /dev/fd it was a primary design goal in the previous devfs and its disappearance caught me by surprise. (the support I mean) SATIRE The

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread Michael Lucas
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:21:39AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: To help localize this problem, could you please try this same thing on a kernel without devfs? The dump you sent me did not look like a Vinum bug, as I said in my reply. Sorry, it happens on a non-devfs kernel as well. Since it

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-15 Thread John Baldwin
On 15-Aug-01 Michael Lucas wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:21:39AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: To help localize this problem, could you please try this same thing on a kernel without devfs? The dump you sent me did not look like a Vinum bug, as I said in my reply. Sorry, it happens on a

devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-15 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 15 August 2001 at 19:17:47 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ju lian Elischer writes: the lack of subdirectory support is a pitty. There is support for subdirectories: ls -la /dev/fd What am I supposed to see there? I get three character

RE: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-15 Thread Brandon (home)
[snip] And in general, can we stop the high incidence of mud-slinging we've seen on the lists lately? Here, here! Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: devfs deficiencies (was: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?))

2001-08-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Lehey writes: On Wednesday, 15 August 2001 at 19:17:47 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ju lian Elischer writes: the lack of subdirectory support is a pitty. There is support for subdirectories: ls -la /dev/fd What am I

devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-14 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 14 August 2001 at 19:26:09 -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: Before I start generating crash dumps etc., are there any gotchas with Vinum -current? I'm using devfs on a SMP system, upgraded 3 days ago. I get a panic whenever I stripe something. Ah, now you say devfs. There was a

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-14 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton
+---[ Greg Lehey ]-- | [snip] | whether it's been fixed. Basically, devfs as supplied in CURRENT had | a 16 character limit on device names, and it didn't understand | subdirectories: it treated the / as a part of the device name. The subdir part bit me about a week

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Kenneth Milton writes: +---[ Greg Lehey ]-- | [snip] | whether it's been fixed. Basically, devfs as supplied in CURRENT had | a 16 character limit on device names, and it didn't understand | subdirectories: it treated the / as a

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-14 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 15 August 2001 at 7:16:02 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Kenneth Milton writes: +---[ Greg Lehey ]-- [snip] whether it's been fixed. Basically, devfs as supplied in CURRENT had a 16 character limit on device

Re: devfs and Vinum (was: any -current vinum problems?)

2001-08-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Lehey writes: I'm working on the 16char limit problem as well, but I want to avoid allocating memory in incovenient circumstances if at all possible. The problem is that I kept having problems with the devfs/vinum combination even after increasing the size