RE: Keeping using locally modified source

2000-03-03 Thread Koster, K.J.
> > > The problem is how do we keep up with -STABLE > > afterwards? Using CVSup, out changes will get clobbered > every time. Is > > there a facility where you can keep up with the source but let local > > modifications through? > > Yup, just use cvsup to maintain an up to date copy of the rep

Re: user-space filesystems

2000-03-03 Thread Assar Westerlund
Aaron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i've done some searching and i've seen discussion of userland fs > before. has there been any progress in the user-space filesystem area? i > have a nifty project and i would like to avoid using loopback NFS; have we > got anything akin to linux's userfs y

Re: Keeping using locally modified source

2000-03-03 Thread Assar Westerlund
Brooks Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yup, just use cvsup to maintain an up to date copy of the repository > localy and then cvs checkout your source tree from there. This allows > you to keep in sync and keep local modifications in your tree. Updates > take longer and I recommend updating

Re: Keeping using locally modified source

2000-03-03 Thread Don Lewis
On Mar 3, 11:47am, Assar Westerlund wrote: } Subject: Re: Keeping using locally modified source } There's even a hack in FreeBSD cvs and cvsup to allow you to keep a } `local' branch that's not clobbered by cvsup, namely the environment } variable CVS_LOCAL_BRANCH_NUM. I thought about using this

Re: Keeping using locally modified source

2000-03-03 Thread Assar Westerlund
Don Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I thought about using this, but it doesn't appear to be easy to track > changes to an official branch. I was looking for something that would > be as easy tracking changes made by infrequent imports on the vendor > branch. No, it's just a hack. Having hie

Re: FreeBSD-boot

2000-03-03 Thread Christian Gusenbauer
Hi Sergey! I think you wrote on Fr , 03 Mär 2000: > Christian Gusenbauer wrote: > > > > Hi David! > > > > I'm sorry for you, but FBSDBOOT will never support ELF binaries :-(! As > > developer of this utility I had a discussion about supporting ELF when ELF was > > introduced into FreeBSD. The r

Re: Great American Gas Out

2000-03-03 Thread Wes Peters
"Koster, K.J." wrote: > > Oh, those Americans. :-) > > Let's see: $1 per gallon in the US. $1.2 per litre in the Netherlands, times > 4.5 (or thereabouts) is $5.4 per gallon in the Netherlands. > > Everyone in the Netherlands drives cars; everyone thinks gas is expensive. > This means that the

Netgraph article

2000-03-03 Thread Archie Cobbs
For anyone interested in reading about netgraph(4), including technical information about developing your own node types, etc., here is an article that I wrote for this month's Daemon News 'blueprints' column.. http://www.daemonnews.org/23/netgraph.html -Archie ___

Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Michael Bacarella
Upon reading of Microsoft's fabulous innovations in the filesystem arena, I started playing with some ideas of my own (not to be confused with ORIGINAL ideas) Can someone tell me why copy-on-write filesystems would be bad? Imagine: cp file file2, file and file2 reference the same exact blocks,

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Ronald G. Minnich
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > Can someone tell me why copy-on-write filesystems would be bad? It's a good idea. Peter Braam and I have written a device (called memdev) for linux (sorry!) that implements a virtual-memory-backed copy-on-write block device (like the loopback device

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Brian Beattie
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > Upon reading of Microsoft's fabulous innovations in the filesystem arena, > I started playing with some ideas of my own (not to be confused with > ORIGINAL ideas) > > Can someone tell me why copy-on-write filesystems would be bad? > > Imagine

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Matthew Dillon
:It's a good idea. Peter Braam and I have written a device (called memdev) :for linux (sorry!) that implements a virtual-memory-backed copy-on-write :block device (like the loopback device, but uses anon vm pages for store). : :It's pretty interesting. It's quite fast, and copy-on-write does seem

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Zhihui Zhang
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > Upon reading of Microsoft's fabulous innovations in the filesystem arena, > I started playing with some ideas of my own (not to be confused with > ORIGINAL ideas) > > Can someone tell me why copy-on-write filesystems would be bad? > > Imagin

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread David Scheidt
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > Upon reading of Microsoft's fabulous innovations in the filesystem arena, > I started playing with some ideas of my own (not to be confused with > ORIGINAL ideas) > > Can someone tell me why copy-on-write filesystems would be bad? It wouldn't

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Julian Elischer
David Scheidt wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > > > > > Upon reading of Microsoft's fabulous innovations in the filesystem arena, > > I started playing with some ideas of my own (not to be confused with > > ORIGINAL ideas) > > > > Can someone tell me why copy-on-write

VFS Change? (was: Re: Copy-on-write filesystem)

2000-03-03 Thread Michael Bacarella
> Sounds very intriquing. The biggest problem I see, right away is fitting > it's use into a UNIX environment, were, file copies are made with the > write system call, making it impossible to implement for the general case. > You could certainly rewrite the "cp" command and that would get a ma

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Michael Bacarella
> > It wouldn't be. This is how NetApp do their .snapshot direcotries. I think > > they have some white papers on it on their website. It's very handy. > > Kirk McKusick is implementing a Copy-on write functionality > for UFS. It is used in conjunction with Soft updates to produce > snapshots

Re: FreeBSD-boot

2000-03-03 Thread Mike Smith
> Christian Gusenbauer wrote: > > > > Hi David! > > > > I'm sorry for you, but FBSDBOOT will never support ELF binaries :-(! As > > developer of this utility I had a discussion about supporting ELF when ELF was > > introduced into FreeBSD. The reason, why ELF support was not integrated is, that

Re: Netgraph article

2000-03-03 Thread Wes Peters
Archie Cobbs wrote: > > For anyone interested in reading about netgraph(4), including > technical information about developing your own node types, etc., > here is an article that I wrote for this month's Daemon News > 'blueprints' column.. > > http://www.daemonnews.org/23/netgraph.html A

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Brian Beattie
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > > It wouldn't be. This is how NetApp do their .snapshot direcotries. I think > > > they have some white papers on it on their website. It's very handy. > > > > Kirk McKusick is implementing a Copy-on write functionality > > for UFS. It is us

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Brooks Davis
On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 01:39:54PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > David Scheidt wrote: > > > > On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > > > Upon reading of Microsoft's fabulous innovations in the filesystem arena, > > > I started playing with some ideas of my own (not to be confused w

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Mike Smith
> > No one will appreciate that happening to their "permanent" data, > > especially if the OS decides that the best way to get out of debt is by > > deleting a file :) > > Actually, since this is copy-on-write, you do not need the block, until > you write. If you need to make a copy, it will be

Re: Great American Gas Out

2000-03-03 Thread Mark Newton
On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 09:56:08AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > "Koster, K.J." wrote: > > > Oh, those Americans. :-) > > Let's see: $1 per gallon in the US. $1.2 per litre in the Netherlands, > > times 4.5 (or thereabouts) is $5.4 per gallon in the Netherlands. > > Everyone in the Netherland

Re: DeCSS

2000-03-03 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:05:55 +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious > once you see the page. (Think of all the mailing list archives and > mirrors) > > http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ Screw the cascading style sheets business, I wanna distr

Re: Great American Gas Out

2000-03-03 Thread Greg Lehey
On Saturday, 4 March 2000 at 10:12:13 +1030, Mark Newton wrote: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 09:56:08AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > >> "Koster, K.J." wrote: >> >>> Oh, those Americans. :-) >>> Let's see: $1 per gallon in the US. $1.2 per litre in the Netherlands, >>> times 4.5 (or thereabouts) is $5.

Re: Netgraph article

2000-03-03 Thread Gregory Sutter
On 2000-03-03 09:24 -0800, Archie Cobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For anyone interested in reading about netgraph(4), including > technical information about developing your own node types, etc., > here is an article that I wrote for this month's Daemon News > 'blueprints' column.. > > http:

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> > I think. One problem with "Copy-on-write, when applied to :> > file copies is that you need to assign the blocks up front, even if you :> > don't copy the data, as otherwise you could run out of space :> > when the copy is actually needed. :> :> That's the only real drawback I've considered

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Brian Beattie
On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :> > I think. One problem with "Copy-on-write, when applied to > :> > file copies is that you need to assign the blocks up front, even if you > :> > don't copy the data, as otherwise you could run out of space > :> > when the copy is actually needed. >

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Swap? I thought we were talking about a copy-on-write filesystem :i.e. disk block, not memory, or did I really miss something : :Brian Beattie| The only problem with Where are you copy-on-writing to? Unbacked memory? No way that would ever work, at least not for any reason

Re: Great American Gas Out

2000-03-03 Thread Joseph Scott
Mark Newton wrote: > > Fourth, I'm paying $1.48/gal right now, and I want the price to go > > DOWN, not UP. > > I'm paying A$0.83c/L right now, which is roughly A$3.73/gal, which is > roughly US$2.76. That means the US price of petroleum can rise by almost > 100% and people still still drive

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Jim Bryant
In reply: > Imagine: cp file file2, file and file2 reference the same exact blocks, > but modified chunks of file2 would be given their own private blocks. This is not a microsoft innovation, actually, I believe it was a VMS innovation. It's called a generational filesystem. the original is sto

Re: Copy-on-write filesystem

2000-03-03 Thread Jim Bryant
In reply: > On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > Can someone tell me why copy-on-write filesystems would be bad? > > It's a good idea. Peter Braam and I have written a device (called memdev) > for linux (sorry!) that implements a virtual-memory-backed copy-on-write > block device (

Re: DeCSS

2000-03-03 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ > > Screw the cascading style sheets business, I wanna distribute the real > thing. I'd like to see these wankers try to sue me. Especially if it > means a free plane trip to the States. :-) You know, I half want to add

Re: How to fdisk/disklabel whole disk for FreeBSD from command line?

2000-03-03 Thread Doug White
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Marc Frajola wrote: > > What are you using for your command lines? You have to target the > > disklabel specifically at slice 1 on the disk otherwise disklabel will > > think you're trying to overwrite the slice table and get mad. > > Here's what I did: > > fdisk

Re: Disklabel from command line...

2000-03-03 Thread Doug White
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Warren Welch wrote: > Is it possible to create FreeBSD partitions from the command line? > I'd really like to be able to script creating a FreeBSD partitions, so > that I could create /, /var, /usr, etc. without having to edit the > disklabel manually. See src/release/picob