Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-13 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 12:49:44PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > void wrote: > > > A: ``I'll give you $200 to add $foo to the base system.'' > > > B: ``No, *I* bid $300 to get someone to work on $bar.'' > > > ... > > > > This has been mooted before, and I think people have even made efforts

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-13 Thread Terry Lambert
void wrote: > > A: ``I'll give you $200 to add $foo to the base system.'' > > B: ``No, *I* bid $300 to get someone to work on $bar.'' > > ... > > This has been mooted before, and I think people have even made efforts > to implement, but it's never taken off in a big way. Or Alfred would be

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-13 Thread void
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 01:23:33AM -0700, David Schultz wrote: > > I think you're on to something here. Just imagine: > > A: ``I'll give you $200 to add $foo to the base system.'' > B: ``No, *I* bid $300 to get someone to work on $bar.'' > ... This has been mooted before, and I think peo

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-11 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: ... > Doesn't bugzilla still have that remote exploit problem that > was reported on Bugtraq? > > Also, I think voting is generally done by "write the code". > You really can't demand volunteers work on what you want them > to work on. I think you're

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-11 Thread Terry Lambert
David Schultz wrote: > Thus spake Brandon D. Valentine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I know we've got gnats, but gnats doesn't really provide any of the > > Request for Enhancement/voting features that Bugzilla does. FreeBSD > > seems to have grown to a point where maybe some of Bugzilla's workflow >

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-11 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Brandon D. Valentine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I know we've got gnats, but gnats doesn't really provide any of the > Request for Enhancement/voting features that Bugzilla does. FreeBSD > seems to have grown to a point where maybe some of Bugzilla's workflow > benefits could be realized.

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-09 Thread Brandon D. Valentine
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Leo Bicknell wrote: >At the end of the day, we need to lower the barrier to adding >documentation, while increasing the quality. Far from an easy task. I agree with your point. It would be nice to break down barriers to documentation. However, I don't think any of the sugg

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-03 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, May 03, 2002 at 11:15:58AM -0700, JJ Behrens wrote: > The online documentation for PHP allows users to post comments at the end of > every page of the online documentation. Often times, these comments serve to > enlighten others about various quirks of the libraries.

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-03 Thread Lou Katz
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 11:15:58AM -0700, JJ Behrens wrote: > > The online documentation for PHP allows users to post comments at the end of > every page of the online documentation. Often times, these comments serve to > enlighten others about various quirks of the libraries. Perhaps doing the

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-03 Thread JJ Behrens
> All this dovetails with something I expressed earlier, with regards to > annotating documentation. Somehow, this community needs to be able to > process a certan class of ideas in a format other than linear mailing > lists. Perhaps some sort of meta-document is needed which describes > how thin

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-03 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Fri, 3 May 2002 09:15:01 -0400 Brian T.Schellenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BTS> Stable is, in fact, fairly stable. I mean, if you are going to track updates I would go so far as to say that -stable is remarkably stable. So much so that it is easily mistaken for some kind of ma

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-03 Thread Michael Sierchio
Brian T.Schellenberger wrote: > The existance of this thread merely demonstrates that people don't make use > the resources that are already out there. No, the existence of this thread demonstrates that the historical explanation is less than satisfying as an excuse for the broken nomenclature

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-03 Thread Brian T . Schellenberger
On Friday 03 May 2002 02:37 am, Dave Hayes wrote: | | | All this dovetails with something I expressed earlier, with regards to | annotating documentation. Somehow, this community needs to be able to | process a certan class of ideas in a format other than linear mailing | lists. Perhaps some sort

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Dave Hayes
Brooks Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER STARTING THIS THREAD!!! It's been hashed Double gah. Forget I said anything. ;) > However, just ranting about this problem[0] won't accomplish anything > other then wasting a lot of time and energy, IMO. There's plenty of > histor

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Brooks Davis
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 10:03:24PM -0700, Michael Sierchio wrote: > Brooks Davis wrote: > > >>I'm sure you folks hashed this all over before, but really...calling a > >>branch "-stable" when it really isn't is not good semantic practice > >>IMNSHO. > > > > > > DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER STARTING THIS

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Michael Sierchio
Brooks Davis wrote: >>I'm sure you folks hashed this all over before, but really...calling a >>branch "-stable" when it really isn't is not good semantic practice >>IMNSHO. > > > DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER STARTING THIS THREAD!!! It's been hashed over more > times then are worth counting on various

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Brooks Davis
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 08:44:02PM -0700, Dave Hayes wrote: > Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > -STABLE is called -STABLE these days, but RELENG_X -STABLE is > > really RELENG_X_Y + changes pending RELENG_X_(Y+1). Way back > > when, I think we had a long knock-down drag-out fight abou

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Dave Hayes
Thanks all for the responses. Between the web pages and this discussion, my knowledge of this has now become a *lot* clearer. Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > -STABLE is called -STABLE these days, but RELENG_X -STABLE is > really RELENG_X_Y + changes pending RELENG_X_(Y+1). Way back >

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Yes it does. Thank you for your through and detailed explaination. I'm positive that someone else could have done a better job, and then updated the documentation (hint hint 8-)). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers"

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Drew Tomlinson
- Original Message - From: "Terry Lambert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:37 PM > Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > I'm just trying to understand. :) How is RELENG_X_Y_BP different from > > RELENG_X_Y_RELEASE? > > For the most part, studying the FreeBSD source tree is a good

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 03:15:53PM -0700, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > I'm just trying to understand. :) How is RELENG_X_Y_BP different from > > RELENG_X_Y_RELEASE? > > RELENG_X_Y_BP is the point on RELENG_X where the RELENG_X_Y branch was > created. RELENG_X_Y_0_RELEASE is t

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I'm just trying to understand. :) How is RELENG_X_Y_BP different from > RELENG_X_Y_RELEASE? For the most part, studying the FreeBSD source tree is a good lesson in how to be clever in your use of CVS. The only place it really falls down is in the lack of vendor tagging f

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Brooks Davis
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 03:15:53PM -0700, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I'm just trying to understand. :) How is RELENG_X_Y_BP different from > RELENG_X_Y_RELEASE? RELENG_X_Y_BP is the point on RELENG_X where the RELENG_X_Y branch was created. RELENG_X_Y_0_RELEASE is the point on the RELENG_X_Y branc

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Bruce A. Mah" wrote: > > > either for a code slush, > > > or for other work that may not make it back in until it's > > > complete, which might take a while. > > > > Nope. The original poster asked about RELENG_* branches; they aren't > > used t

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Drew Tomlinson
- Original Message - From: "Terry Lambert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Dave Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Difference between REL

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Terry Lambert
"Bruce A. Mah" wrote: > > either for a code slush, > > or for other work that may not make it back in until it's > > complete, which might take a while. > > Nope. The original poster asked about RELENG_* branches; they aren't > used that way, which I'm sure you know. ??? http://www.freebsd.org

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Archie Cobbs
Dave Hayes writes: > What does the _BP extension mean on the RELENG tags? "Branch point". -Archie __ Archie Cobbs * Packet Design * http://www.packetdesign.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dave Hayes wrote: > > What does the _BP extension mean on the RELENG tags? > > Branch Point. > > It means the code has been branched, Yes. > either for a code slush, > or for other work that may not make it back in until it's > complete, which

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, Dave Hayes wrote: > What does the _BP extension mean on the RELENG tags? It marks the "branch point" where the RELENG_* branch was created from the HEAD. Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the mess

Re: Difference between RELENG_* and RELENG_*_BP

2002-05-02 Thread Terry Lambert
Dave Hayes wrote: > What does the _BP extension mean on the RELENG tags? Branch Point. It means the code has been branched, either for a code slush, or for other work that may not make it back in until it's complete, which might take a while. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTEC