Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 05/06/2012 23:10, Jerry wrote: > I thought this URL also shown > above, answered that question. Signing bootloaders and kernels etc. seems superficially like a good idea to me. However, instant reaction is that this is definitely *not* something that Mi

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Bruce Cran
On 06/06/2012 08:32, Matthew Seaman wrote: On deeper thought though, the whole idea appears completely unworkable. It means that you will not be able to compile your own kernel or drivers unless you have access to a signing key. As building your own is pretty fundamental to the FreeBSD project

isc-dhcpd - logging client transactions

2012-06-06 Thread Ewald Jenisch
Hi, I've set up isc-dhcpd (/usr/ports/net/isc-dhcp42-server). The daemon runs, hands out IP-addresses however logging doesn't seem to work. Here's what I've got in the respective config-files: /etc/rc.conf: # dhcpd dhcpd_enable="YES" dhcpd_conf="/usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf" dhcpd_ifaces="em0" dhcp

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 06/06/2012 09:45, Bruce Cran wrote: > On 06/06/2012 08:32, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On deeper thought though, the whole idea appears completely unworkable. >> It means that you will not be able to compile your own kernel or >> drivers unless you have access to a signing key. As building your

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 06/06/2012 09:45, Bruce Cran wrote: > > On 06/06/2012 08:32, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> On deeper thought though, the whole idea appears completely unworkable. > >> It means that you will not be able to compile your own kernel or > >> d

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Julian H. Stacey
jerr...@msu.edu wrote: > Quoting Kurt Buff : > > > UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel binaries > > http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/ > > > > This would seem to make compiling from source difficult. > > > > I don't see how this MS scam is

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:38:41 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: >On 06/06/2012 09:45, Bruce Cran wrote: >> On 06/06/2012 08:32, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>> On deeper thought though, the whole idea appears completely >>> unworkable. It means that you will not be able to compile your own >>> kernel or

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Bruce Cran
On 06/06/2012 11:24, Jerry wrote: They should have taken this into account a long time ago. In any case, we are talking $99 dollars total, not per user here for the certificate. If that is going to cause a problem, I'll donate the $99. It's not the $99 that'll be the problem, but the fact that

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Bruce Cran
On 06/06/2012 11:38, Bruce Cran wrote: It's not the $99 that'll be the problem, but the fact that it's Verisign (actually Symantec, since they bought Verisign) that you deal with. Whereas Globalsign accept applications from individuals, Verisign require company documents before they'll generate

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 06/06/2012 11:24, Jerry wrote: > I think you are in error there Matthew. From what I have read The $99 > goes to Verisign, not Microsoft - further once paid you can sign as > many binaries as you want. Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the point is why should I ha

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 05/06/2012 23:10, Jerry wrote: I thought this URL also shown above, answered that question. Signing bootloaders and kernels etc. seems superficially like a good idea to me. However, instant reaction is th

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Matthew Seaman < m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > On 06/06/2012 11:24, Jerry wrote: > > I think you are in error there Matthew. From what I have read The $99 > > goes to Verisign, not Microsoft - further once paid you can sign as > > many binaries as you wa

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100 Matthew Seaman articulated: >On 06/06/2012 11:24, Jerry wrote: >> I think you are in error there Matthew. From what I have read The $99 >> goes to Verisign, not Microsoft - further once paid you can sign as >> many binaries as you want. > >Having to pay Verisign

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6/6/12 1:36 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100 > Matthew Seaman articulated: > >> On 06/06/2012 11:24, Jerry wrote: >>> I think you are in error there Matthew. From what I have read The $99 >>> goes to Verisign, not Microsoft - further once paid you can sign as >>> many bina

Somewhat OT - A Makefile Question

2012-06-06 Thread Tim Daneliuk
Not strictly FBSD, but ... Within a makefile, I need to assign the name of a program as in: FOO = "bar". The problem is that 'bar' may also be know as, say, "bar.sh". Worse still both "bar" and "bar.sh" can exist with one linked to the other. Is there a simple way to determine which form "bar

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6/6/12 9:32 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 05/06/2012 23:10, Jerry wrote: >> I thought this URL also shown >> above, answered that question. > > Signing bootloaders and kernels etc. seems superficially like a good > idea to me. However, instant reacti

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6/6/12 1:19 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> On 05/06/2012 23:10, Jerry wrote: >>> I thought this URL also shown >>> above, answered that question. >> >> Signing bootloaders and kernels etc. seems superf

IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Dánielisz László
Hi everybody, Let say my computer is connected to the internet with a cable modem and has a dynamic IP address via DHCP. This address is refreshed after every random days. I want to know the new address even when I'm not home. Like send an e-mail with the new IP, I already know how to do this, b

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6/5/12 9:12 PM, Gökşin Akdeniz wrote: >> >> UEFI considerations drive Fedora to pay MSFT to sign their kernel >> binaries http://cwonline.computerworld.com/t/8035515/1292406/565573/0/ >> > > That's restriction is only for ARM devices which have a label that says > "Desgined for Windows8". In

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6/6/12 1:57 AM, Chris Hill wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jun 2012, G?k?in Akdeniz wrote: > >> For the time being only ARM platform is restricted. > > True, but I would be astonished if this restriction were not expanded by > MS in the future. Just my opinion, but I believe their ultimate goal is > to a

Unable to update virtualbox-ose-additions 4.1.16

2012-06-06 Thread Alexandre
Hi, I got a VM VirtualBox that use FreeBSD 9-STABLE (updated yesterday). Now I want to update my ports, but I can't update I use the command <# portmaster -a -D --no-confirm> to update ports with portmaster tool. The error is : [...] The failing command: @cc -m64 -o /usr/ports

Re: FreeBSD9 - I can't get my mouse to work

2012-06-06 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Erich wrote: Hi I have had success on my hardware with this setting: # The working configuration. The mouse daemon in /etc/rc.conf # was dsabled. # # Section "ServerLayout" # Identifier "X.org Configured" #

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, June 06, 2012 a las 02:06:48AM -0700, Dánielisz László escribió: > Hi everybody, > > Let say my computer is connected to the internet with a cable modem and has a > dynamic IP address via DHCP. This address is refreshed after every random > days. > I want to know the new addr

Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 418, Issue 7

2012-06-06 Thread Bernt Hansson
2012-06-06 13:36, kwel kwel skrev: Please remove my email from your database i don't want to receive any other mail from you plzz thanks ! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions T

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Huff
Matthias Apitz writes: > > Let say my computer is connected to the internet with a cable > modem and has a dynamic IP address via DHCP. This address is > refreshed after every random days. > > > I want to know the new address even when I'm not home. Like > send an e-mail with the new IP, I a

Re: FreeBSD9 - I can't get my mouse to work

2012-06-06 Thread Erich
Hi, On 06 June 2012 6:37:43 Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Erich wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I have had success on my hardware with this setting: > > > > # The working configuration. The mouse daemon in /etc/rc.conf > > # was dsabled. > > # > > # S

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, June 06, 2012 a las 09:17:47AM -0400, Robert Huff escribió: > > Run this in a cronjob: > > > > lynx -dump myip.nl | fgrep 'WAN IP' > > > > strore the result in a file and when it changes, trigger a mail; > > Or, using only tools in the base system: > > ifconfig | h

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Bonomi
m > From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 6 07:37:57 2012 > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 02:06:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= > To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" > Subject: IP -> e-mail > > Hi everybody, > > Let say my computer is connected to the internet

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread RW
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:36:24 -0400 Jerry wrote: > In any event, it won't belong before some hacker comes up with a way > to circumvent the entire process anyway, It sounds like Fedora already have. They say that they are only going to sign a thin shim that loads grub.

RE: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
> -Original Message- > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Robert Huff > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:18 AM > To: Matthias Apitz > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: IP -> e-mail > > > Matthias Apitz writ

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Bonomi
Matthias Apitz opined: > El dia Wednesday, June 06, 2012 a las 09:17:47AM -0400, Robert Huff escribio: > > Matthias Apitz opined: > > > > > > lynx -dump myip.nl | fgrep 'WAN IP' > > > > > > strore the result in a file and when it changes, trigger a mail; > > > > Or, using only tools in

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, June 06, 2012 a las 10:03:26AM -0400, Sean Cavanaugh escribió: > > Matthias Apitz writes: > > > > > > Let say my computer is connected to the internet with a cable > > > modem and has a dynamic IP address via DHCP. This address is > > > refreshed after every random days. > > >

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread RW
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 02:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Dánielisz László wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Let say my computer is connected to the internet with a cable modem > and has a dynamic IP address via DHCP. This address is refreshed > after every random days. I want to know the new address even when I'm > not

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Dánielisz László writes: > Let say my computer is connected to the internet with a cable modem and has a > dynamic IP address via DHCP. This address is refreshed after every random > days. > I want to know the new address even when I'm not home. Like send an e-mail > with the new IP, I already

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, June 06, 2012 a las 09:11:02AM -0500, Robert Bonomi escribió: > > Matthias Apitz opined: > > El dia Wednesday, June 06, 2012 a las 09:17:47AM -0400, Robert Huff > > escribio: > > > Matthias Apitz opined: > > > > > > > > lynx -dump myip.nl | fgrep 'WAN IP' > > > > > > > >

Re: FreeBSD9 - I can't get my mouse to work

2012-06-06 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Erich wrote: Hi, On 06 June 2012 6:37:43 Warren Block wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Erich wrote: Hi I have had success on my hardware with this setting: # The working configuration. The mouse daemon in /etc/rc.conf # was dsabled. # #

RE: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
> > > I would also recommend taking a look at a service like DynDNS as you > > would have a DNS name that would auto correct for new IP. > > the IP provider in Germany do not assign a static DNS name to you if yo do > not have a static IP. > Hence the Dynamic DNS option. Granted OP would have t

Re: IP -> e-mail

2012-06-06 Thread Mark Felder
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 09:11:02 -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: Matthias, your lynx-based 'solution' does *NOT* solve the OP's question. Incorrect; it does solve his problem. He wants to know -when- his DHCP assigned address changes. Consider what happens if both the expired address and the new

Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

2012-06-06 Thread Leslie Jensen
2012-06-04 16:10, Leslie Jensen skrev: 2012-06-04 15:54, Warren Block skrev: % printf "\033];Funny Title\007" Works! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Bonomi
RW wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:36:24 -0400 > Jerry wrote: > > > > In any event, it won't belong before some hacker comes up with a way > > to circumvent the entire process anyway, > > It sounds like Fedora already have. They say that they are only going to > sign a thin shim that loads grub.

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the > point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to > run whatever OS I want on a piece of hardware I own? Maybe a common marketing and sales model

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Julian H. Stacey
> I do wonder about that. What incentive does the possesor of a signing key > have to keep it secret? Contract penalty clause maybe ? Lawyers ? Otherwise one of us would purchase a key for $99, & then publish the key so we could all forever more compile & boot our own kernels. But that would pr

upgrade from 7-stable to 8-stable

2012-06-06 Thread Brian W.
It is time to do the above for me. I have done several upgrades within the same major version but have not done a version hop yet. Aside from extra paranoia about backups and the need to rebuild all ports, are there other gotchas to watch out for? I am going to try it on a test VM system first. Br

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?]

2012-06-06 Thread Daniel Staal
On 2012-06-05 17:20, Jerry wrote: The question that I have not seen answered in this thread is what FreeBSD intents to do. From what I have seen, most FreeBSD users do not use the latest versions of most hardware, so it may be a while before its user base is even effected. I don't believe at

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Julian H. Stacey wrote: I do wonder about that. What incentive does the possesor of a signing key have to keep it secret? Contract penalty clause maybe ? Lawyers ? A limited-liability company with no assets is judgement-proof. Otherwise one of us would purchase a key

Re: upgrade from 7-stable to 8-stable

2012-06-06 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Brian W. wrote: > It is time to do the above for me. I have done several upgrades within the > same major version but have not done a version hop yet. Aside from extra > paranoia about backups and the need to rebuild all ports, are there other > gotchas to watch ou

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Maybe a common marketing and sales model comes from software to hardware too: You don't actually own the hardware! When you give money to the manufacturer (maybe through vendors or retailers), you receive hardware _plus_ a limited set of rights which you may exercise on that hardware, maybe for a

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Bonomi
"Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > > > I do wonder about that. What incentive does the possesor of a signing key > > have to keep it secret? > > Contract penalty clause maybe ? Lawyers ? Contract with _whom_? The party you pay money to -- Verisign -- simply certifies that the party buying the certif

Why Clang

2012-06-06 Thread Thomas D. Dean
Has the discussion on why change to clang been made available? I would like to know the reasoning. Or, is it simply a gratuitous change? Tom Dean ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questio

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-06 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Jun 6, 2012 10:32 AM, "Thomas D. Dean" wrote: > > Has the discussion on why change to clang been made available? > > I would like to know the reasoning. > > Or, is it simply a gratuitous change? > > Tom Dean > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mail

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 06/06/2012 17:21, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the >> point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to >> run whatever OS I want on a piece of hardware I ow

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-06 Thread Brian W.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Jun 6, 2012 10:32 AM, "Thomas D. Dean" wrote: > > > > Has the discussion on why change to clang been made available? > > > > I would like to know the reasoning. > > > > Or, is it simply a gratuitous change? > > > > Tom Dean > > ___

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 06/06/2012 18:28, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > Has the discussion on why change to clang been made available? Yes, endlessly. Mostly on lists like freebsd-hackers@... and at various conferences and developer summits. Check the list archives. > I would like to know the reasoning. It's simple. gc

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-06 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Jun 6, 2012 10:32 AM, "Thomas D. Dean" wrote: > > > > Has the discussion on why change to clang been made available? > > > > I would like to know the reasoning. > > > > Or, is it simply a gratuitous change? > > > > Tom Dean > > ___

Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

2012-06-06 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: Can the reason for me not getting the title to change be that I very often use screen when updating ports? Sure, the escape codes are interpreted by screen, not Terminal. There may be a way to pass them through. tmux has some options for that, but I

Proper Port Forwarding

2012-06-06 Thread Simon
Hi, Can someone suggest an alternative/proper way to port forward using ipfw. Right now I have the following and some bad clients cause too many FIN_WAIT_2 state fwd IP,PORT2 tcp from any to me dst-port PORT1 keep-state This easily causes DoS for when too many FIN_WAIT_2 are created and IPFW sto

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6/6/12 6:45 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >>> I do wonder about that. What incentive does the possesor of a signing >>> key >>> have to keep it secret? >> >> Contract penalty clause maybe ? Lawyers ? > > A limited-liability company with no a

Re: Proper Port Forwarding

2012-06-06 Thread Michael Sierchio
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Simon wrote: > This easily causes DoS for when too many FIN_WAIT_2 are created and IPFW > stops forwarding using the rule above because of "too many dynamic rules" Change the defaults for the fw.dyn sysctl MIB nodes to something like net.inet.ip.fw.dyn_short_li

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6/6/12 7:23 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: >> >>> I do wonder about that. What incentive does the possesor of a signing key >>> have to keep it secret? >> >> Contract penalty clause maybe ? Lawyers ? > > Contract with _whom_? The party you pay money to -- Verisign --

Re: Proper Port Forwarding

2012-06-06 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jun 06), Michael Sierchio said: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Simon wrote: > > > This easily causes DoS for when too many FIN_WAIT_2 are created and IPFW > > stops forwarding using the rule above because of "too many dynamic > > rules" > > Change the defaults for the fw

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?]

2012-06-06 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:49:53 -0400 Daniel Staal articulated: >On 2012-06-05 17:20, Jerry wrote: > >> The question that I have not seen answered in this thread is what >> FreeBSD intents to do. From what I have seen, most FreeBSD users do >> not >> use the latest versions of most hardware, so it m

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-06 Thread 文鳥
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 19:05:59 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 06/06/2012 18:28, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > > Has the discussion on why change to clang been made available? > > Yes, endlessly. Mostly on lists like freebsd-hackers@... and at > various conferences and developer summits. Check the li

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-06 Thread Joe Gain
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM, 文鳥 wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 19:05:59 +0100 > Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> On 06/06/2012 18:28, Thomas D. Dean wrote: >> > Has the discussion on why change to clang been made available? >> You might be interested in this video: http://www.llvm.org/devmtg/2011-11/

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 6 13:46:43 2012 > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:44:57 +0200 > From: Damien Fleuriot > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware > of? > > > > On 6/6/12 7:23 PM, Robert Bonomi wr

Re: how do I fix this?

2012-06-06 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 03:34:27PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 08:04:35AM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: > > > what I want to do is get as current as possible and then > > > install 7.5. and stay there. > > > > 7.5 what? Do you mean Xorg? Please try and be specific. > >

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 6/6/12 6:45 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2012, Julian H. Stacey wrote: I do wonder about that. What incentive does the possesor of a signing key have to keep it secret? Contract penalty clause maybe ? Lawyers ? A limited-liab

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Mark Felder
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:44:57 -0500, Damien Fleuriot wrote: If the key should be divulged, then the key may be revoked by the issuer. Revoked how? Wouldn't they have to issue a firmware update to actually revoke it? The UEFI firmware doesn't have network access _

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?]

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Simmons
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:49:53 -0400 > Daniel Staal articulated: > >>On 2012-06-05 17:20, Jerry wrote: >> >>> The question that I have not seen answered in this thread is what >>> FreeBSD intents to do. From what I have seen, most FreeBSD users do >>> n

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Dave U . Random
Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the > > point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to > > run whatever OS I want on a piece of hardware I own? It's time to

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Mark Felder
Yes, let's all run ALPHA and MIPS hardware. I'll just jam my Nvidia card into one of the available slots and everything should work OK, right? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?]

2012-06-06 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:55:16 -0400 Robert Simmons articulated: >On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jerry wrote: >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:49:53 -0400 >> Daniel Staal articulated: >> >>>On 2012-06-05 17:20, Jerry wrote: >>> The question that I have not seen answered in this thread is what Fr

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?]

2012-06-06 Thread Daniel Staal
On 2012-06-06 15:05, Jerry wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:49:53 -0400 Daniel Staal articulated: I don't believe at this point FreeBSD has any intent one way or another, really. It's not an immediate problem for any platform supported by the FreeBSD project, at least for a technically-inclined u

UEFI Secure Boot Specs - And some sanity

2012-06-06 Thread grarpamp
Isn't there a lot of needless handwaving going on when the spec is pretty clear that installing your own complete PKI tree will all boil down to what is effectively a jumper on the motherboard? First, some sanity... Users could fully utilize the UEFI Secure Boot hardware by say: - Using openssl

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 6 12:33:25 2012 > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:28:19 -0700 > From: "Thomas D. Dean" > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Why Clang > > Has the discussion on why change to clang been made available? > > I would like to know the reasoning.

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Alejandro Imass
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dave U. Random wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> > Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the >> > point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to >> > run

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 02:23:20PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > I agree with the whole post except that last bit about ICANN Matthew. > > The US already has enough dominance as is, without involving ICANN, a > supposedly neutral body (yeah right...) any further. Indeed. The last thing we n

pulseaudio error message

2012-06-06 Thread Carmel
The message log on my machine is filling up with this error message: Jun 6 11:36:55 raven pulseaudio[6440]: sink-input.c: Failed to create sink input: too many inputs per sink. Jun 6 11:36:58 raven pulseaudio[6440]: sink-input.c: Failed to create sink input: too many inputs per sink. Jun 6 11

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Dave U . Random
Wojciech Puchar wrote: > anyway NOBODY are forced to buy micro-soft software. That's almost correct but not quite. In 99% of the cases any Intel commodity mafiaware comes with a preinstalled Winblows. You're paying for it whether you want it or not. You can get a refund in many cases but it's mo

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6 Jun 2012, at 21:52, Dave U. Random wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >>> Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the >>> point is why should I have to pay anything to a third party in order to >>> run whatev

Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

2012-06-06 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/06/2012 09:11, Leslie Jensen wrote: > My initial wish for some information about the build progress is still > very much on the table. Try the attached patch. It essentially adds the progress info that is being put in the TERM title to the in-line printout of the dependency trail that was al

Re: Portmaster and update progress, suggestion.

2012-06-06 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/06/2012 15:06, Doug Barton wrote: > On 06/06/2012 09:11, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> My initial wish for some information about the build progress is still >> very much on the table. > > Try the attached patch. Actually try this one instead. :) -- This .signature sanitized for your pro

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Bruce Cran
On 06/06/2012 20:27, Robert Bonomi wrote: Suppose I put up a web app that takes an executable as input, signs it with my key, and returns the signed filt to the submitter. I don't divulge the key to anyone, just use it on 'anything'. Anybody attempting to revoke on _that_ basis is asking for a

Blank page after log in to phpmyadmin

2012-06-06 Thread betts
I have a blank white page after I log into phpmyadmin. I have upgraded to php 5.4.3 along with the extensions. Also upgraded to current phpmyadmin. Have checked the error logs and nothing is showing in the logs. Any idea what happended. phpmyadmin was working before upgrade. __

Re: Blank page after log in to phpmyadmin

2012-06-06 Thread Greg Larkin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6/6/12 7:16 PM, be...@norden1.com wrote: > I have a blank white page after I log into phpmyadmin. I have > upgraded to php 5.4.3 along with the extensions. Also upgraded to > current phpmyadmin. Have checked the error logs and nothing is > showing i

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Julian H. Stacey
> > Contract penalty clause maybe ? Lawyers ? > > A limited-liability company with no assets is judgement-proof. There's set up & running costs (time & money), & other exposure http://berklix.com/~jhs/mecc/ltd_gmbh.html Easiest done by those who have done it before, One wo

Which FreeBSD for Intel i7-2600S and DQ67SWB3?

2012-06-06 Thread David Christensen
freebsd-questions: I have a new computer with an Intel i7-2600S processor and DQ67SWB3 motherboard that I'd like to run with ZFS, virtual machine host, desktop, Samba, and terminal server (on second NIC). Can this be done with FreeBSD; if so, which distribution and ports/packages do I need?

Re: UEFI Secure Boot Specs - And some sanity

2012-06-06 Thread Kurt Buff
Thank you for this. I didn't realize that a simple (somewhat technical) question asked in all innocence would generate so much flammage. Kurt On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:13 PM, grarpamp wrote: > Isn't there a lot of needless handwaving going on when the spec is > pretty clear that installing your

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 6 18:13:09 2012 > Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 00:09:54 +0100 > From: Bruce Cran > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware > of? > > On 06/06/2012 20:27, Ro

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jun 6, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: [ ... ] > It may seem reasonable to you, but is there -legal- basis to do so? Go ask your lawyer. freebsd-questions isn't qualified to provide you with legal advice. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-qu

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 6 19:01:14 2012 > From: Chuck Swiger > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:59:36 -0700 > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be > aware of? > > On Jun 6, 2012, a

bug in /usr/bin/calendar: "Thu+1" doesn't match on 7th or December

2012-06-06 Thread Winston
Bug report for /usr/bin/calendar SUMMARY: calendar does not match "Thu+1" or "Mon+1" in some months. With one exception, it looks like calendar file dates such as "Thu+1" and "Mon+1" are failing to match in two cases: (1) the 7th of Jan-Nov, and (2) December. DETAILS/EXAMPLES: FreeBSD crystal

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Julian H. Stacey
> > (cf. EULA) that you accept those "licensing of hardware". > Also, I think you'll find that such actions are already illegal > certainly in the UK, and I believe EU wide. Yes illegal for English law (England & Scotland have different contract laws). Contract terms given after money changes ha

Re: bug in /usr/bin/calendar: "Thu+1" doesn't match on 7th or December

2012-06-06 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi, Please report bugs with send-pr (cos bug reports to mail list get lost) See man send-pr If you can attach a patch to fix it, so much the better Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a pl

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Dave U . Random
Mark Felder wrote: > Yes, let's all run ALPHA and MIPS hardware. I'll just jam my Nvidia card > into one of the available slots and everything should work OK, right? Dear Numbskull, It's co-dependent hostages like you who enable Intel Mafiaware. According to your logic we should all be using

Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

2012-06-06 Thread Mark Felder
Hi guys I'm excitedly posting this from my phone. Good news for you guys, bad news for us -- we were building HA storage on vmware for a client and can now replicate the crash on demand. I'll be posting details when I get home to my PC tonight, but this hopefully is enough to replicate the crash

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 6 Jun 2012, at 21:52, Dave U. Random > wrote: > > > Polytropon wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >>> Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the > >>> point is why should I have to pay anything

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?

2012-06-06 Thread Nomen Nescio
Alejandro Imass wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Dave U. Random > wrote: > > Polytropon wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:47:11 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> > Having to pay Verisign instead of Microsoft makes no difference: the > >> > point is why should I have to pay anything

Re: Which FreeBSD for Intel i7-2600S and DQ67SWB3?

2012-06-06 Thread Thomas Mueller
- Original Message - From: David Christensen I have a new computer with an Intel i7-2600S processor and DQ67SWB3 motherboard that I'd like to run with ZFS, virtual machine host, desktop, Samba, and terminal server (on second NIC). Can this be done with FreeBSD; if so, which distributi

Re: Somewhat OT - A Makefile Question

2012-06-06 Thread Parv
in message <4fcf48af@tundraware.com>, wrote Tim Daneliuk thusly... > ... > Within a makefile, I need to assign the name of a program as in: > > FOO = "bar". > > The problem is that 'bar' may also be know as, say, "bar.sh". ... > Is there a simple way to determine which form "bar" or "bar.sh" on

Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?]

2012-06-06 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 03:05:00PM -0400, Jerry wrote: > > I don't know of any user personally who purchased a new PC and then > threw FreeBSD on it. Most users that I have come into contact with use > 2+ year old units that have been replaced by shiny new Windows units. I > don't see that changin

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