Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-18 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Mario Lobo l...@bsd.com.br wrote: My apologies to all for this, specially to those who already know about this and those who think too little of it. I am really worried about this: http://americancensorship.org/ Mario, I couldn't agree more and it's a very

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us (FINAL - moving to freebsd-chat)

2011-11-18 Thread Mario Lobo
On Friday 18 November 2011 13:13:33 C. P. Ghost wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Mario Lobo l...@bsd.com.br wrote: My apologies to all for this, specially to those who already know about this and those who think too little of it. I am really worried about this:

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us [put down your coffee before reading]

2011-11-17 Thread Nomen Nescio
If these rootless people get control of what goes through the root servers Thanks, I spewed coffee out of my nose when I read this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us [put down your coffee before reading]

2011-11-17 Thread Mario Lobo
On Thursday 17 November 2011 06:08:05 Nomen Nescio wrote: If these rootless people get control of what goes through the root servers Thanks, I spewed coffee out of my nose when I read this. I hope the coffee wasn't too hot. I was just trying to convey meaning, not to

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:24:54 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: My apologies to all for this, specially to those who already know about this and those who think too little of it. I am really worried about this: http://americancensorship.org/ If these rootless people get control of what goes

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Mario Lobo
On Thursday 17 November 2011 09:05:32 Jerry wrote: Sorry, but I totally disagree with you assessment of this bill. First of all, because I have not fully read it and secondly because I think it may in fact have merit. There are all ready too many scumbags who are illegally ripping off the

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:57 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: Aren't there enough laws already to protect copyright? Laws to protect copyrighted or patented goods certainly exist. Unfortunately, they are poorly enforced. There is no universal standard for copyright infringement, etcetera. The best

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Rod Person
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:55:02 -0500 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:57 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: Aren't there enough laws already to protect copyright? Laws to protect copyrighted or patented goods certainly exist. Unfortunately, they are poorly enforced.

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:00:04 -0500 Rod Person articulated: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:55:02 -0500 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:57 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: Aren't there enough laws already to protect copyright? Laws to protect copyrighted or

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread mikel king
On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Rod Person wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:55:02 -0500 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:57 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: Aren't there enough laws already to protect copyright? Laws to protect copyrighted or patented goods certainly

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Bernt Hansson
On 2011-11-17 13:28, Mario Lobo wrote: Aren't there enough laws already to protect copyright? There is and they need to be changed radically to reflect peoples actions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Rod Person
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:38:49 -0500 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:00:04 -0500 Rod Person articulated: Theft is theft no matter how a socialist/fascist tries to color it. So what you are saying then is that there should be roadblocks on ever street to

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Alessandro Spinella
On 11/17/11 13:05, Jerry wrote: First of all, because I have not fully read it... it mean that you does *not* agree because *your* partial-ignorance? and later you state Only a felon has a reason to fear such enforcement. is there any better arguments to support that point of

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Stas Verberkt
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 09:02:39AM -0500, Rod Person wrote: As someone that has been stop because of how I look and where I live, I find the 'only those that break laws have reason to fear them argument' extremely naive. It is not just naive, it is not an argument. If we would pass anything

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Jon Radel
On 11/17/11 9:02 AM, Rod Person wrote: As someone that has been stop because of how I look and where I live, I find the 'only those that break laws have reason to fear them argument' extremely naive. To put it mildly. Before you know it, records of what you've been up to on the Internet

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Rod Person
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:16:50 -0500 Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: On 11/17/11 9:02 AM, Rod Person wrote: As someone that has been stop because of how I look and where I live, I find the 'only those that break laws have reason to fear them argument' extremely naive. To put it

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Mario Lobo
On Thursday 17 November 2011 11:02:39 Rod Person wrote: Then once a new law is on the books, the officials find ways to use the laws in way the were not intended as in the case of the Patriot Act were it's use is over 90 some percent of the time has nothing to to with terrorism. This is

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us [put down your coffee before reading]

2011-11-17 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 08:09:59AM -0300, Mario Lobo wrote: On Thursday 17 November 2011 06:08:05 Nomen Nescio wrote: Thanks, I spewed coffee out of my nose when I read this. Just in case you're not a totally alienated individual, this means that I should not worry about the issue,

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 07:55:02AM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:28:57 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: Aren't there enough laws already to protect copyright? Laws to protect copyrighted or patented goods certainly exist. Unfortunately, they are poorly enforced. There is no

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 07:55:02AM -0500, Jerry wrote: Laws to protect copyrighted or patented goods certainly exist. Unfortunately, they are poorly enforced. There is no universal standard for copyright infringement, etcetera. The best way to protect copyrighted material is stopping its

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread mikel king
On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 07:55:02AM -0500, Jerry wrote: Laws to protect copyrighted or patented goods certainly exist. Unfortunately, they are poorly enforced. There is no universal standard for copyright infringement, etcetera. The best way

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:17:50 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: Copyright infringement is copyright infringement -- and not theft -- no matter how hyperbolic your choice of phrasing. Castigate people for the unlawful act of copyright infringement if you want to, but please do not conflate two

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:56:06 -0500 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:17:50 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: Copyright infringement is copyright infringement -- and not theft -- no matter how hyperbolic your choice of phrasing. Castigate people for the unlawful act

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Stas Verberkt
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:56:06PM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:17:50 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: Copyright infringement is copyright infringement -- and not theft -- no matter how hyperbolic your choice of phrasing. Castigate people for the unlawful act of copyright

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:56:06PM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:17:50 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: Copyright infringement is copyright infringement -- and not theft -- no matter how hyperbolic your choice of phrasing. Castigate people for the unlawful act of copyright

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:41:51PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: Oh, of course -- pirated, like the hundreds of CDs and audiocasettes and DVDs I have, though I've stopped consuming new music in any form from corporations that sue their own customers. clarification: Those are hundreds of CDs and

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Jerry on Thursday, 17 November 2011: Only those who break laws have a reason to fear them. That statement carries large assumptions about the wisdom and benevolence of government. -- .O. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..O | sterl...@camdensoftware.com |

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Stas Verberkt
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:56:31PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: I'd exhort readers to not take Jerry's absurd accusations and hostile attitude to anyone who doesn't just applaud his every effort as an indication that they should ignore the rest of what he says; in theory, some of it might

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Dave U . Random
My assessment is still being built so thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, Jerry Not that I paid attention to the proposal, because I decided a few decades ago governments were the root of all evil and nothing they do is for anybody's good. There isn't enough time in the universe to read

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Mario Lobo
On Thursday 17 November 2011 17:28:39 Dave U. Random wrote: They already p0wned the root servers. Look at the Microsoft case. The federales went into private server farms and set up their own boxes. You think anything goes through American backbones and the guys in black suits with no sense of

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Simmons
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Mario Lobo l...@bsd.com.br wrote: My apologies to all for this, specially to those who already know about this and those who think too little of it. I am really worried about this: http://americancensorship.org/ If these rootless people get control of what

Re: [OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-17 Thread Fritz Wuehler
Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: Only those who break laws have a reason to fear them. That is a catastrophically incorrect view. Ask an attorney how much is spent by corporations and private citizens defending themselves against both wrongful lawsuits and wrongful prosecution. It's enough

[OT] but concerns all of us

2011-11-16 Thread Mario Lobo
My apologies to all for this, specially to those who already know about this and those who think too little of it. I am really worried about this: http://americancensorship.org/ If these rootless people get control of what goes through the root servers, we will loose the last free medium of