Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-18 Thread perryh
Elliot Finley wrote: > A T1 can only run about 600 feet. Yes, that's right, 600 feet. > When people talk about T1s running long distances, the reference > to 'T1' is only the signalling at the end. In the middle, that > "T1" will be carried by other methods such as SONET over fiber for > very l

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-17 Thread Elliot Finley
Just for the archives: A T1 can only run about 600 feet. Yes, that's right, 600 feet. When people talk about T1s running long distances, the reference to 'T1' is only the signalling at the end. In the middle, that "T1" will be carried by other methods such as SONET over fiber for very long dista

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-17 Thread Jeff Dickens
Check www.gnswireless.com (this from a satisfied customer) That said, I also use the method of placing mini ethernet switches or hubs (electrically a multiport repeater and damned hard to find now) every so often to reach distant parts of our warehouses. These are powered, of course. POE mig

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-17 Thread Heiner Strauß
> > Option 2: Put an ordinary DSL modem at one end and a DSLAM at the > > other end. Again I'm not sure what the range is, but DSL used to > > be referred to as the solution for "the last mile" from the telco > > to the customer so it may be up to the job. > > I could recommend this too, becau

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi, Am 2009-07-17 00:47:57, schrieb per...@pluto.rain.com: > Option 2: Put an ordinary DSL modem at one end and a DSLAM at the > other end. Again I'm not sure what the range is, but DSL used to > be referred to as the solution for "the last mile" from the telco > to the customer so it may be up

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-17 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi, > AFAIK neither of these really needs the signal quality of Cat 5 -- > they both should work just fine over Cat 3 -- but surely the higher > grade wire can't hurt (and it may increase the usable DSL distance). I think I remember that the gauge of Ethernet cable is smaller than the one of phon

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-17 Thread perryh
David Kelly wrote: > Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there > that two machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of > cat5 with no special hardware? After reading (at least most of) the discussion that has arisen from this, I've had another thought which would u

Re: 5000' Ethernet?

2009-07-16 Thread Dean Weimer
>Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there that two >machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of cat5 with no >special hardware? > >IIRC the classic Ethernet problem limiting the distance between the >farthest points on a network had to do with timing and collisions

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-16 Thread David Kelly
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 04:33:24PM -0400, Michael Powell wrote: > David Kelly wrote: > > > > Last sentences in last paragraph before See Also at > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_sense_multiple_access_with_collision_detection: > > > > "Also, in Full Duplex Ethernet, collisions are impos

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-16 Thread Michael Powell
David Kelly wrote: [snip] > > But it is turned off. A full duplex switch does not echo the sender's > bits back to the sender's receiver. A full duplex switch buffers the > incoming bits, reads the header, selects an output port, and then starts > sending the bits to that one port out of the FIF

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-16 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Michael Powell writes: > You are running Ethernet, right? CSMA/CD is part of the Ethernet framing > protocol. It is present in the protocol independent of simplex/duplex, etc. > As such the timing windows contain non-infinite discreet value ranges. It is > integral to Ethernet and does not get

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-16 Thread David Kelly
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:49:11AM -0400, Michael Powell wrote: > David Kelly wrote: > > > Since when does one have CSMA/CD when configured as full duplex? All > > full duplex ethernet connections are point to point, machine to > > machine, or machine to switch. There is no multiple access on full

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread Michael Powell
David Kelly wrote: > > Since when does one have CSMA/CD when configured as full duplex? All > full duplex ethernet connections are point to point, machine to > machine, or machine to switch. There is no multiple access on full > duplex. No chance of collision. You are running Ethernet, right? CS

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread Olivier Nicole
David, > > You would need 5 boxes, the connections between each run of cable > > could cause too many loss, even if the timing was not an issue. > Wire connections are not all that lossy. You would be surprised by the impedance missmatch tests made by cabling companies... > Meanwhile cat5 is use

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread David Kelly
On Jul 15, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Michael Powell wrote: David Kelly wrote: Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there that two machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of cat5 with no special hardware? IIRC the classic ethernet problem limiting the distance betwe

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread David Kelly
On Jul 15, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Olivier Nicole wrote: The max distance for UTP is 328 ft. Divide the 5,000 by 328 and it will tell you how many bridges, hubs, or switches you will need to regenerate the signal. You may find devices purporting to 'range extenders', but even these will have di

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi, A general reply to many suggestions. > So the time it takes for the smallest Ethernet frame to get from the two > farthest nodes will determine a window in which the two most distant nodes > upon attempting a transmit can tell that a collision occurred and > retransmit. In a case of point

feet to metres [was: 5000' ethernet?]

2009-07-15 Thread andrew clarke
On Wed 2009-07-15 22:27:35 UTC+0200, Michelle Konzack (bsd4miche...@tamay-dogan.net) wrote: > > Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there that two > > machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of cat5 with no > > special hardware? > > I do not know hoe much a feet

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread Michael Powell
David Kelly wrote: > Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there that two > machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of cat5 with no > special hardware? > > IIRC the classic ethernet problem limiting the distance between the > farthest points on a network had to do

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello *, Am 2009-07-15 17:38:33, schrieb mikel.k...@olivent.com: > David, > > > You can run upto 1.5 miles on a lx fiber based solution but will likely > require a skilled installer to setup that much cable for you. > > Depending on your locale I am may be able to put connect you to a supplie

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread mikel . king
<20090715202734.gh29...@tamay-dogan.net> <20090715210752.ge16...@grumpy.dyndns.org> From: Mikel Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:38:21 -0400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit David, You can run upto 1.5 miles on a lx fiber based solution but will like

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread David Kelly
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:27:35PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello David, > > Am 2009-07-15 14:47:18, schrieb David Kelly: > > Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there that two > > machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of cat5 with no > > special hardwar

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello David, Am 2009-07-15 14:47:18, schrieb David Kelly: > Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there that two > machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of cat5 with no > special hardware? I do not know hoe much a feet is in meters but AFAIK arround 0,3 which mea

Re: 5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread Al Plant
David Kelly wrote: Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there that two machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of cat5 with no special hardware? IIRC the classic ethernet problem limiting the distance between the farthest points on a network had to do with timing

5000' ethernet?

2009-07-15 Thread David Kelly
Not directly FreeBSD related, but how much of a chance is there that two machines could communicate directly over 5,000 feet of cat5 with no special hardware? IIRC the classic ethernet problem limiting the distance between the farthest points on a network had to do with timing and collisions. If t