Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-18 Thread Gal Lis
I guess that shows just how unexperienced I am with all of this. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Ross Cameron abal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gal Lis gal_...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry to ask these mundane questions, but I'm a linux novice. Linux != FreeBSD

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar
anyway - you SOMEHOW got into that list and not linux one. So you must know something about FreeBSD anyway :) On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Gal Lis wrote: I guess that shows just how unexperienced I am with all of this. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Ross Cameron abal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed,

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-18 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
You said 32-bits 6.4 could be loaded . A question coming to mind is Can your processor handle 64-bits ? Please check this issue . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol sanliturk On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Gal Lis galg...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that shows just how unexperienced I am with

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-18 Thread Gal Lis
They should definitely support it. My workstation has an Intel E5320 quad core, and the M600 has a 5400 series chip, but I can't remember which one exactly. They should definitely be able to handle it. I downloaded the 7.1 ia64, maybe there is something else I should be downloading? On Wed, Mar

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-18 Thread Adam Vandemore
Gal Lis wrote: They should definitely support it. My workstation has an Intel E5320 quad core, and the M600 has a 5400 series chip, but I can't remember which one exactly. They should definitely be able to handle it. I downloaded the 7.1 ia64, maybe there is something else I should be

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-18 Thread Gal Lis
Well that explains a lot. I will try it and report back. Thanks to everyone for your help so far! On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Adam Vandemore amvandem...@gmail.comwrote: Gal Lis wrote: They should definitely support it. My workstation has an Intel E5320 quad core, and the M600 has a

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-18 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
ia64 is for Itanium processor . Therefore ia64 can NOT work on Intel Pentium series processors . Their architectures are different . You should download amd64 ISO . amd64 is for both Intel 64 bits and AMD 64 bits pocessors compatible to each other . On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Gal Lis

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-18 Thread Gal Lis
Thanks for that, I'm sorry I didn't mention what version I downloaded earlier. I will reply once I test it out. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote: ia64 is for Itanium processor . Therefore ia64 can NOT work on Intel Pentium series processors

7.1 64 bit

2009-03-17 Thread Gal Lis
Hello, I have tried installing 7.1 64 bit onto a Dell M600 in an M1000E enclosure for a client, and the 7.1 disk does not boot. Is there anything you can recommend? I have installed 6.4 32 bit onto it with no issues. Thank you. ___ freebsd

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-17 Thread Frank Shute
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:25:34AM -0700, Gal Lis wrote: Hello, I have tried installing 7.1 64 bit onto a Dell M600 in an M1000E enclosure for a client, and the 7.1 disk does not boot. Is there anything you can recommend? I have installed 6.4 32 bit onto it with no issues. Thank you

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-17 Thread Glen Barber
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Gal Lis gal_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, I have tried installing 7.1 64 bit onto a Dell M600 in an M1000E enclosure for a client, and the 7.1 disk does not boot. Is there anything you can recommend? I have installed 6.4 32 bit onto it with no issues. Can you

Re: 7.1 64 bit

2009-03-17 Thread Frank Shute
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:08:25PM -0700, Gal Lis wrote: Hi Frank and Glen, I tried both disks on my workstation, and 6.4 started up, but there was nothing from 7.1, so maybe my copy is bad. I burned it using imgburn, and i also have magiciso. How can I check to make

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-03 Thread William Gordon Rutherdale
of the 64 bit architecture. You may also use i386 branch and use PAE config options if you have more than 4 GB RAM. Still, the best idea is to use amd64 version. Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-03 Thread Toni Schmidbauer
At Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:40:16 +0100, Andreas Rudisch wrote: You can use 7.1-RELEASE-i386 (32bit) or 7.1-RELEASE-amd64 (64bit) depending on whether or not you are going to run 64 bit software or want to use more than 4GB of RAM. i would also recommend to use fbsd amd64 if you plan to use zfs

nomachine on Freebsd 7.0-release 64-bit in a jail

2009-02-03 Thread Mark C. Ballew
It appears that the both the FreeNX port and the binary nomachine nxserver ports are both broken and fail to compile. I'm still trying to get nxserver 3 free forever edition to work. So far I've made some mods to it's install scripts but I'm bumping up against a strange licensing error (there is

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-02 Thread Andreas Rudisch
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 06:24:35 -0800 (PST) gahn ipfr...@yahoo.com wrote: What is the image for intel 64-bit version of freebsd? i have xeon machine and would like to install freebsd on it. You can use 7.1-RELEASE-i386 (32bit) or 7.1-RELEASE-amd64 (64bit) depending on whether or not you are going

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-02 Thread Andreas Rudisch
RAM) AFAIK, the NVidia driver does not work (properly/at all) with PAE, 64 bit FreeBSD or more than 4GB of RAM. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565|http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 pgps9r2QZmDsc.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-02 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
It is a little more complicated... i386 also supports 4GB with the PAE kernel option... it is frequently better to use this then to use amd64 because (a decreasing I hope) number of ports do not compile and/or work properly on amd64... for example if your using the machine as a GUI desktop

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-02 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: It is a little more complicated... i386 also supports 4GB with the PAE kernel option... it is frequently better to use this then to use amd64 because (a decreasing I hope) number of ports do not compile and/or work properly on amd64... for example if your using the machine

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
What is the image for intel 64-bit version of freebsd? i have xeon machine and would like to install freebsd on it. it's FreeBSD/amd64, as 64-bit intel is compatible with amd64 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-02 Thread matt donovan
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:24 AM, gahn ipfr...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all: What is the image for intel 64-bit version of freebsd? i have xeon machine and would like to install freebsd on it. Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-02 Thread gahn
Hi all: What is the image for intel 64-bit version of freebsd? i have xeon machine and would like to install freebsd on it. Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-02 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
Andreas Rudisch wrote: On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 06:24:35 -0800 (PST) gahn ipfr...@yahoo.com wrote: What is the image for intel 64-bit version of freebsd? i have xeon machine and would like to install freebsd on it. You can use 7.1-RELEASE-i386 (32bit) or 7.1-RELEASE-amd64 (64bit

Re: intel 64-bit version?

2009-02-02 Thread Ivailo Tanusheff
You may use amd64 version for full support of the 64 functionalities. Do not get the wrong impression, this is not only for AMD processors and allow you to use the full strength of the 64 bit architecture. You may also use i386 branch and use PAE config options if you have more than 4 GB RAM

semi OT: 64-bit-clean code

2009-01-07 Thread Robert Huff
Is there a good guide anywhere to writing 64-bit-clean code? Something that's thorough but understandable, possibly with examples of the trickier bits. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: semi OT: 64-bit-clean code

2009-01-07 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:51:40PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: Is there a good guide anywhere to writing 64-bit-clean code? Something that's thorough but understandable, possibly with examples of the trickier bits. Do not assume that the size of a void* equals the size of an integer

Re: semi OT: 64-bit-clean code

2009-01-07 Thread Robert Huff
Roland Smith writes: Is there a good guide anywhere to writing 64-bit-clean code? Something that's thorough but understandable, possibly with examples of the trickier bits. For the rest, searching for '64-bit-clean' will give you thousands of links. That's the problem

Re: semi OT: 64-bit-clean code

2009-01-07 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Is there a good guide anywhere to writing 64-bit-clean code? simply use sizeof() not assumptions nothing else. too - don't assume big/little endian system. actually it's VERY simple. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http

Re: Dell 2850 use 32 or 64 bit?

2008-12-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar
be used as a webserver, e-mail server. and a db server (both PostgresQL and My SQL Beyond the breaking of the 4 Gig RAM barrier, is there any compelling reason to use a 32 bit i386 or a 64 bit AMD OS? the same as using 32-bit software (not 16-bit) on 32-bit CPU

Re: Dell 2850 use 32 or 64 bit?

2008-12-26 Thread Tim Kellers
or a 64 bit AMD OS? The machine currently has just a gig of RAM but I'm going to add more, soon. The machine runs headless and has no xorg, installed. A pointer to an article that discusses the 32 bit v 64 bit question would be appreciated as well. dell# uname -a FreeBSD dell.smsd.tv 7.1

Re: Dell 2850 use 32 or 64 bit?

2008-12-26 Thread Michel Talon
Tim Kellers wrote: Thanks for the reply. I already know it is 64 bit capable. I 'm interested in finding out if their are measurable performance advantages to running it using 64 v 32 bit FreeBSD. For the type of use of the OP (databases, etc.) i don't know, but for scientific computations

Re: Dell 2850 use 32 or 64 bit?

2008-12-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar
server i don't see a reason to run in 32 bits mode. Contrary to some frequent assertions the increase in size of binaries is extremely limited as can easily be checked. This is very largely program code size is a very little part of system memory today.

Re: Dell 2850 use 32 or 64 bit?

2008-12-26 Thread Tim Kellers
Michel Talon wrote: Tim Kellers wrote: Thanks for the reply. I already know it is 64 bit capable. I 'm interested in finding out if their are measurable performance advantages to running it using 64 v 32 bit FreeBSD. For the type of use of the OP (databases, etc.) i don't know

Dell 2850 use 32 or 64 bit?

2008-12-25 Thread Tim Kellers
I just bought a Dell 2850 (2 2.8GHZ dual core processors). The server will be used as a webserver, e-mail server. and a db server (both PostgresQL and My SQL Beyond the breaking of the 4 Gig RAM barrier, is there any compelling reason to use a 32 bit i386 or a 64 bit AMD OS? The machine

Re: Dell 2850 use 32 or 64 bit?

2008-12-25 Thread Tim Judd
Tim Kellers wrote: I just bought a Dell 2850 (2 2.8GHZ dual core processors). The server will be used as a webserver, e-mail server. and a db server (both PostgresQL and My SQL Beyond the breaking of the 4 Gig RAM barrier, is there any compelling reason to use a 32 bit i386 or a 64 bit AMD

RTLD changes for non-native system (was: Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit ?binaries?)

2008-10-28 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Jeremy wrote: : this will make system trying to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit : program. it can't work : :rtld shouldn't attempt to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit programs. : : The same problem happens with the Linux run time linker - it merrily : tries to link FreeBSD libraries

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit ?binaries?

2008-10-27 Thread Oliver Fromme
Daniel O'Connor wrote: On Friday 24 October 2008 23:20:59 Peter Jeremy wrote: this will make system trying to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit program. it can't work rtld shouldn't attempt to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit programs. The same problem happens with the Linux run time

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit ?binaries?

2008-10-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Daniel O'Connor wrote: : On Friday 24 October 2008 23:20:59 Peter Jeremy wrote: : this will make system trying to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit program. it : can't work : :rtld shouldn't attempt

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit ?binaries?

2008-10-27 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 01:31:16 M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Daniel O'Connor wrote: : On Friday 24 October 2008 23:20:59 Peter Jeremy wrote: : this will make system trying to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-25 Thread Alexander Sack
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 24 October 2008 23:20:59 Peter Jeremy wrote: this will make system trying to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit program. it can't work rtld shouldn't attempt to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit programs. The same problem

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-25 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:49:19 -0400 Alexander Sack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a bug or not in FreeBSD's rtld? -aps It is not. In case it was not clear before, I maintain that you _ask_ rtld for wrong behaviour and you get back what you asked for, down to the letter. 'Tasting'

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-25 Thread Alexander Sack
behaviour and you get back what you asked for, down to the letter. 'Tasting' libraries just because someone somewhere want to screw up their configuration does not seem right to me at all. I maintain that rtld should not load 32-bit libraries for a 64-bit binary. That is WRONG anyway you look

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-25 Thread Alexander Kabaev
should not load 32-bit libraries for a 64-bit binary. That is WRONG anyway you look at it. And again, if it checked the arch type and skipped libutil.so.5 in /usr/lib32 it would fall back to checking /lib and things would work. Moreover, if /usr/lib had major number links just like /usr/lib32

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-24 Thread Wojciech Puchar
6.1-RELEASE-amd64 machine. If I add /usr/lib32 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH it breaks all of my binaries on my 64-bit machine. what do you expect else? this will make system trying to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit program. it can't work ___ freebsd

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-24 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2008-Oct-24 10:43:04 +0200, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6.1-RELEASE-amd64 machine. If I add /usr/lib32 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH it breaks all of my binaries on my 64-bit machine. what do you expect else? Well, the rtld should be smart enough to recognize 32-bit .so's and skip

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-24 Thread Alexander Sack
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Peter Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-Oct-24 10:43:04 +0200, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6.1-RELEASE-amd64 machine. If I add /usr/lib32 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH it breaks all of my binaries on my 64-bit machine. what do you expect else

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-24 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Friday 24 October 2008 23:20:59 Peter Jeremy wrote: this will make system trying to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit program. it can't work rtld shouldn't attempt to bind 32-bit libs to 64-bit programs. The same problem happens with the Linux run time linker - it merrily tries to link FreeBSD

Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Alexander Sack
Hello: I have some weird behavior I'm trying to figure out and was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction. I'm running a FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-amd64 machine. If I add /usr/lib32 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH it breaks all of my binaries on my 64-bit machine. For example: [EMAIL

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you look at the rtld(1) man page, there are a number of environment variables you can set to debug the loader. I'm not sure how helpful they are, though. You can rebuild rtld(1) with debugging enabled: % cd /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf % make

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Alexander Sack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have some weird behavior I'm trying to figure out and was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction. I'm running a FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-amd64 machine. If I add /usr/lib32 to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH it breaks all of my binaries on my 64-bit

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Alexander Sack
a ha, you can't do this because Alright, let me see why rtld on 6.1-amd64 is picking up /usr/lib32 stuff for a native 64-bit binary via debugging techniques. This seems very very wrong to me. I mean if /usr/lib is in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it comes before /usr/lib the /usr/lib32 *should

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Alexander Sack
Alright, well I found some weirdness: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# LD_DEBUG=1 ls /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 is initialized, base address = 0x800506000 RTLD dynamic = 0x80062ad78 RTLD pltgot = 0x0 processing main program's

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Alexander Sack
on 6.1-amd64 is picking up /usr/lib32 stuff for a native 64-bit binary via debugging techniques. This seems very very wrong to me. I mean if /usr/lib is in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it comes before /usr/lib the /usr/lib32 *should* be innocuous, right? Feel free to use that last statement on my

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:48:47 -0400 Alexander Sack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, comments most appreciated. Damn, I was looking for someone to go a ha, you can't do this because Alright, let me see why rtld on 6.1-amd64 is picking up /usr/lib32 stuff for a native 64-bit binary via

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:31:40 -0400 Alexander Sack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I figured that out on my own but my question still exists, why isn't /usr/lib similar in format to /usr/lib32 though with respect to major numbers? Actually now that I re-read your paragraph I suppose this isn't

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Nate Eldredge
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008, Alexander Sack wrote: Alright, well I found some weirdness: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# LD_DEBUG=1 ls /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 is initialized, base address = 0x800506000 RTLD dynamic = 0x80062ad78

Re: Why does adding /usr/lib32 to LD_LIBRARY_PATH break 64-bit binaries?

2008-10-23 Thread Dan Nelson
is likely caused by the fact that there is no /lib32, only /usr/lib32. So if 64-bit library lives in /lib, your LD_LIBRARY_PATH will cause loader to find its 32-bit equivalent in /usr/lib32 first. Try LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/lib32:/usr/lib64 for better results. Yes I

chrooting in a 32-bit world from a 64-bit kernel+world

2008-09-30 Thread Olivier Smedts
make in /mnt... ELF interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 not found Abort trap === Chrooted make in /mnt failed === Cleaning up... I can directly execute /mnt/bin/sh or any program in /mnt without problems. As expected, file gives me : /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64

Re: chrooting in a 32-bit world from a 64-bit kernel+world

2008-09-30 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 20:44:02 Olivier Smedts wrote: So far I've got a working FreeBSD (kernel+world) in a 512MB image I can dump on a CompactFlash card : # cd /usr/src # make buildworld TARGET=i386 # make buildkernel TARGET=i386 # mount /dev/md0a /mnt (md0 is a 512MB file backed

Re: chrooting in a 32-bit world from a 64-bit kernel+world

2008-09-30 Thread Wojciech Puchar
chroot /mnt /etc/rc.d/ldconfig start If that don't work: /sbin/ldconfig -32 -s -f /mnt/var/run/ld-elf.so.hints /mnt/lib \ /mnt/usr/lib Does that work / change the error or no change at all? -- lost of 32-bit programs won't work, like those assuming some kernel data is some format,

Re: chrooting in a 32-bit world from a 64-bit kernel+world

2008-09-30 Thread Olivier Smedts
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 09:28:39PM +0200, Mel wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2008 20:44:02 Olivier Smedts wrote: So far I've got a working FreeBSD (kernel+world) in a 512MB image I can dump on a CompactFlash card : # cd /usr/src # make buildworld TARGET=i386 # make buildkernel

Re: chrooting in a 32-bit world from a 64-bit kernel+world

2008-09-30 Thread Mel
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 21:57:22 Olivier Smedts wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 09:28:39PM +0200, Mel wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2008 20:44:02 Olivier Smedts wrote: So far I've got a working FreeBSD (kernel+world) in a 512MB image I can dump on a CompactFlash card : # cd

Re: chrooting in a 32-bit world from a 64-bit kernel+world

2008-09-30 Thread Olivier Smedts
interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 not found Abort trap # No luck with the symlink hack or a jail : Configuring jails:. Starting jails:ELF interpreter /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 not found cannot start jail fanless: Abort trap . I'll try to boot directly in the 32-bit world with my 64-bit kernel. I think

Re: Upgrading to 64 bit from a 32 bit installation on FBSD 7

2008-09-18 Thread Kris Kennaway
are upgraded which still have 32-bit dependancies on the system? This is a pretty common question, did you try searching the archives or google for the answer? Also, AFAIK upgrading to a 64 bit system allows access to additional registers on the CPU, leading to a performance increase. The system

Re: Upgrading to 64 bit from a 32 bit installation on FBSD 7

2008-09-18 Thread Andrew Berry
? This is a pretty common question, did you try searching the archives or google for the answer? Yes, I did, and was quite surprised when I didn't find a clear answer :) Also, AFAIK upgrading to a 64 bit system allows access to additional registers on the CPU, leading to a performance increase. The system

Re: Upgrading to 64 bit from a 32 bit installation on FBSD 7

2008-09-18 Thread Kris Kennaway
Andrew Berry wrote: On 18-Sep-08, at 2:37 AM, Kris Kennaway wrote: Andrew Berry wrote: Can I simply rebuild the world (or use freebsd-update), and portupgrade everything to rebuild for amd64? Or, will things break as libraries are upgraded which still have 32-bit dependancies on the system?

Upgrading to 64 bit from a 32 bit installation on FBSD 7

2008-09-17 Thread Andrew Berry
still have 32-bit dependancies on the system? Also, AFAIK upgrading to a 64 bit system allows access to additional registers on the CPU, leading to a performance increase. The system will only have 1.5 gigs of RAM, so that's not an issue, but are there any benchmarks out there comparing

Re: Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-30 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 08:48:24PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: AFAIK, it is not as much a question of ports being broken, but there are some ports that have 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS=i386' set, e.g. because they are binary-only ports (e.g. flash plugin, nvidia driver) or because they contain

Re: Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-30 Thread Wojciech Puchar
you may just copy binaries onto amd64 system and they will work in 32-bit mode. As long as you also copy the 32-bit libraries that they need! binaries means both. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-29 Thread FreeBSD Questions
FreeBSD has supported 64-bit architectures for a while now... Alpha and UltraSPARC come to mind--even if Alpha is no longer a Tier 1 architecture. I'm surprised to hear so many of you say that certain ports are broken on AMD64. I would think if they worked on other 64-bit processors they'd work

Re: Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-29 Thread Bill Moran
In response to FreeBSD Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FreeBSD has supported 64-bit architectures for a while now... Alpha and UltraSPARC come to mind--even if Alpha is no longer a Tier 1 architecture. I'm surprised to hear so many of you say that certain ports are broken on AMD64. I would

Re: Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-29 Thread sergio lenzi
Em Sex, 2008-08-29 às 10:57 -0400, Bill Moran escreveu: In response to FreeBSD Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FreeBSD has supported 64-bit architectures for a while now... Alpha and UltraSPARC come to mind--even if Alpha is no longer a Tier 1 architecture. I'm surprised to hear so many

Re: Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
and UltraSPARC come to mind--even if Alpha is no longer a Tier 1 architecture. I'm surprised to hear so many of you say that certain ports are broken on AMD64. I would think if they worked on other 64-bit processors they'd work on AMD64. Were the ports that are broken on AMD64 also broken

Re: Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-29 Thread Roland Smith
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:44:10AM -0400, FreeBSD Questions wrote: FreeBSD has supported 64-bit architectures for a while now... Alpha and UltraSPARC come to mind--even if Alpha is no longer a Tier 1 architecture. I'm surprised to hear so many of you say that certain ports are broken

Re: Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-29 Thread Robert Huff
Roland Smith writes: To see which ports are restricted to certain architectures, try the following command: find /usr/ports -type f -name Makefile -exec grep -H ONLY_FOR_ARCH {} \;|less This returned 643 entries, of which 29 listed a reason. Six of those use assembler

Re: Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
AFAIK, it is not as much a question of ports being broken, but there are some ports that have 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS=i386' set, e.g. because they are binary-only ports (e.g. flash plugin, nvidia driver) or because they contain i386 assembly code or because the code contains assumptions that are true on

Re: Ports and 64-bit Processors

2008-08-29 Thread Diego F. Arias R.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:34 AM, sergio lenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Sex, 2008-08-29 às 10:57 -0400, Bill Moran escreveu: In response to FreeBSD Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FreeBSD has supported 64-bit architectures for a while now... Alpha and UltraSPARC come to mind--even

64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab)

2008-08-07 Thread Maxim Khitrov
Hello all, Simple question - am I able to run 64-bit linux binaries using the ABI emulation under FreeBSD 7.0 amd64? In the NOTES for amd64 kernel configuration the COMPAT_LINUX option is commented out, but I don't understand the explanation at the top of the section: #XXX keep these here

Re: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab)

2008-08-07 Thread Kris Kennaway
Maxim Khitrov wrote: Hello all, Simple question - am I able to run 64-bit linux binaries using the ABI emulation under FreeBSD 7.0 amd64? In the NOTES for amd64 kernel configuration the COMPAT_LINUX option is commented out, but I don't understand the explanation at the top of the section

Re: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab)

2008-08-07 Thread David Gurvich
If you are looking for batch processing, octave may be an option. The objective was to be as compatible with Matlab as possible. There wasn't any gui available when I last looked at this program. As a side note, I found the following from the Matlab site hilarious : FreeBSD distributions of

Re: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab)

2008-08-07 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maxim Khitrov wrote: Hello all, Simple question - am I able to run 64-bit linux binaries using the ABI emulation under FreeBSD 7.0 amd64? In the NOTES for amd64 kernel configuration the COMPAT_LINUX option is commented

Re: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab)

2008-08-07 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Sean Cavanaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:47:45 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab) Apparently Matlab tries to allocate a continuous chunk of memory

Re: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab)

2008-08-07 Thread Kris Kennaway
Maxim Khitrov wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Sean Cavanaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:47:45 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab) Apparently Matlab tries to allocate a continuous

Re: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab)

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Tinguely
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:47:45 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Apparently Matlab tries to allocate a continuous chunk of memory, and we needed to upgrade to 64-bit hardware to give it access to more than 1GB of memory, which is about the most that it was able

Re: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab)

2008-08-07 Thread Kris Kennaway
Mark Tinguely wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:47:45 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Apparently Matlab tries to allocate a continuous chunk of memory, and we needed to upgrade to 64-bit hardware to give it access to more than 1GB of memory, which is about the most

Re: 64-bit Linux Binary Compatibility (for Matlab)

2008-08-07 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Thursday 07 August 2008, David Gurvich wrote: If you are looking for batch processing, octave may be an option. The objective was to be as compatible with Matlab as possible. There wasn't any gui available when I last looked at this program. There's math/koctave, which is a GUI for some

64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Ryan Coleman
I'm full of questions, I know... And I haven't been googling well lately but there seem to be a lot of you with a lot of knowledge and you're willing to share (as am I). This machine is running a D2C E4600 which (as I understand) is a 64-bit cpu, but I'm running fBSD 6.3 which is *not* 64-bit

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Sahil Tandon
Ryan Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm full of questions, I know... And I haven't been googling well lately but there seem to be a lot of you with a lot of knowledge and you're willing to share (as am I). This machine is running a D2C E4600 which (as I understand) is a 64-bit cpu

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Kris Kennaway
Ryan Coleman wrote: I'm full of questions, I know... And I haven't been googling well lately but there seem to be a lot of you with a lot of knowledge and you're willing to share (as am I). This machine is running a D2C E4600 which (as I understand) is a 64-bit cpu, but I'm running fBSD 6.3

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Ryan Coleman
Kris Kennaway wrote: Ryan Coleman wrote: I'm full of questions, I know... And I haven't been googling well lately but there seem to be a lot of you with a lot of knowledge and you're willing to share (as am I). This machine is running a D2C E4600 which (as I understand) is a 64-bit cpu

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, Ryan Coleman wrote: I'm full of questions, I know... And I haven't been googling well lately but there seem to be a lot of you with a lot of knowledge and you're willing to share (as am I). This machine is running a D2C E4600 which (as I understand) is a 64-bit cpu

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Sahil Tandon
which (as I understand) is a 64-bit cpu, but I'm running fBSD 6.3 which is *not* 64-bit? Might this have anything to do with the crashes? Is there a stable 64-bit version of fBSD I should install? Will it upgrade the 32-bit or should I go from scratch? 6.3 supports 64-bit amd64-compatible CPUs

Re: 64-bit? [Thanks!]

2008-06-14 Thread Ryan Coleman
haven't been googling well lately but there seem to be a lot of you with a lot of knowledge and you're willing to share (as am I). This machine is running a D2C E4600 which (as I understand) is a 64-bit cpu, but I'm running fBSD 6.3 which is *not* 64-bit? Might this have anything to do

Re: 64-bit? [Thanks!]

2008-06-14 Thread RW
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:02:25 -0500 Ryan Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone! I'm going to do a fresh install to a new drive that I am picking up in an hour or so from a local retailer. If this is a server than you almost certainly should go with the 64 bit version. If it's

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Kris Kennaway
) is a 64-bit cpu, but I'm running fBSD 6.3 which is *not* 64-bit? Might this have anything to do with the crashes? Is there a stable 64-bit version of fBSD I should install? Will it upgrade the 32-bit or should I go from scratch? 6.3 supports 64-bit amd64-compatible CPUs, and stability

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Kris Kennaway
understand) is a 64-bit cpu, but I'm running fBSD 6.3 which is *not* 64-bit? Might this have anything to do with the crashes? you should run 64-bit version on 64-bit machine for performance This is workload-dependent. Some workloads run more slowly on a 64-bit CPU, others faster. Kris , but 32

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
you should run 64-bit version on 64-bit machine for performance This is workload-dependent. Some workloads run more slowly on a 64-bit CPU, others faster. could you please give an example of slower running FreeBSD/amd64 thing than FreeBSD/i386? there are more memory usage sometimes

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Kris Kennaway
Wojciech Puchar wrote: you should run 64-bit version on 64-bit machine for performance This is workload-dependent. Some workloads run more slowly on a 64-bit CPU, others faster. could you please give an example of slower running FreeBSD/amd64 thing than FreeBSD/i386? there are more

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
there are more memory usage sometimes, that's why i use 32-bit squid binary on 64-bit systems Precisely that. If your application relies on memory I/O, it may run slower because data is typically bigger so takes longer to copy. Some java applications can fall into this category, for example

Re: 64-bit?

2008-06-14 Thread Rob
Ryan Coleman wrote: This machine is running a D2C E4600 which (as I understand) is a 64-bit cpu, but I'm running fBSD 6.3 which is *not* 64-bit? Might this have All AMD Intel x86 processors made in the last several years have the traditional x86 32 bit instruction set, as well as AMD's 64

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