Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> Now let's see, your last post was jus advocating buying everything
> new, you said you bought your house, car, etc. all new...
>
> and here your advocating obsolete hardware?
>
> Is this a flip-flop?
No. It means don't buy the latest hardware; it doesn't mean buy used
# Ted Mittelstaedt:
[ Anthony bemoans the lack of support for obsolete hardware ]
> Now let's see, your last post was jus advocating buying everything
> new, you said you bought your house, car, etc. all new...
>
> and here your advocating obsolete hardware?
>
> Is this a flip-flop?
You kiddin
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> Atkielski
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:05 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
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>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wr
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> You can't be that confident that the other operating systems will work
> on the new hardware, either.
Mainstream hardware is usually well supported. Bleeding-edge
technologies and obsolete hardware may not be. Mainstream commercial
operating systems are probably a sligh
> -Original Message-
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> Atkielski
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:44 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt write
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> Do you always buy new cars? New homes?
Yes. And new PCs.
> If you were tasked with going out and buying Windows server hardware
> and you had a maximum of $200 to spend, you would be pretty stupid to
> go down to Fry's and get one of their $199 on-sale computers when
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
>
>> One word: ebay
>
> I don't trust used equipment. You never know where it's been.
Do you always buy new cars? New homes?
The only difference between buying used equipment and new equipment is
that the risk/reward is different. With used g
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> One word: ebay
I don't trust used equipment. You never know where it's been.
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> Atkielski
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 1:45 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
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>
> Ted Mittelstaed
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> Cisco's online knowledgebase is far superior.
Since Cisco equipment is outside my budget, I've never had any occasion
to look at theirs, but I'll take your word for it. (Then again,
hopefully I wouldn't _need_ the knowledgebase if I had Cisco gear.)
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon Drews writes:
If you think the FreeBSD community is a "nightmare" then why are you
sticking around except to stir up strife ?
It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD. There's
nothing else.
I do note, however, tha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And in cases where I've needed support, the very extensive knowledge
> base that Microsoft maintains has been useful. It's pretty lame in an
> absolute sense, but it's much better than anything that other vendors
> provide (although HP comes close, and probably matches
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jon Drews writes:
>
>> If you think the FreeBSD community is a "nightmare" then why are you
>> sticking around except to stir up strife ?
>
> It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD. There's
> nothing else.
>
> I do note, however, that only about 10%
On 2005-02-26 12:39, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Giorgos Keramidas writes:
>>On 2005-02-25 20:47, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
All throughout our businesses careers, we will be faced with this
problem of having to unlearn the
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Jon Drews writes:
If you think the FreeBSD community is a "nightmare" then why are you
sticking around except to stir up strife ?
It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD. There's
nothing else.
http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/consult_bycat.html
I do no
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes:
> I am sorry, but I get the same level of support here that I do in the
> Windows list, if not more.
I suspect you won't believe me, but I rarely recall ever having to look
for Windows support. The few problems I've had with Windows have been
with specific app
On Feb 26, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Jon Drews writes:
If you think the FreeBSD community is a "nightmare" then why are you
sticking around except to stir up strife ?
It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD. There's
nothing else.
I am sorry, but I get the same leve
Jon Drews writes:
> If you think the FreeBSD community is a "nightmare" then why are you
> sticking around except to stir up strife ?
It's the closest thing to support available for FreeBSD. There's
nothing else.
I do note, however, that only about 10% of my questions to the list
actually gener
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:12:38 +0100, Anthony Atkielski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
>
> > For one thing you can just stop with the site licensing fees.
>
> Licensing fees aren't necessarily the largest or even a significant
> expense for a business.
Ted and others:
This
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> For one thing you can just stop with the site licensing fees.
Licensing fees aren't necessarily the largest or even a significant
expense for a business.
> For another you can lay off half your IT staff that you hired to spend
> their days running around and cleaning v
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh --
> Shire.Net LLC
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:06 PM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
>
> Give m
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:49 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt wr
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:48 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt
Giorgos Keramidas writes:
> Not necessarily true all the time. Otherwise, why isn't everyone still
> using Microsoft Word 2.x or the first version of Outlook Express?
A great many people still are. Some people are still using MS-DOS.
For much of the population, a computer that works is all the
On 2005-02-25 20:47, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
>> All throughout our businesses careers, we will be faced with this
>> problem of having to unlearn the old way of doing things and learn
>> new, better ways.
>
> Not necessarily. When something works wel
On Feb 25, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
Your missing the point. It's far more cost-effective for a business
to
not hire a bunch of whiners in the first place.
They aren't whiners. It's perfectly logical for them to want to work
with software for which they
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> That might be true but what is also true is that when such managers
> win, they win very very big.
Big risk, big potential return. But not everyone wants to gamble.
> So big that in the sum total of things, their wins bring in far more
> money to the company than anyt
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> Your missing the point. It's far more cost-effective for a business to
> not hire a bunch of whiners in the first place.
They aren't whiners. It's perfectly logical for them to want to work
with software for which they are already trained, and it's equally
logical for
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> What the contracting company then does with the code is their own
> business.
It's not giving it away for free. Contractors are even worse than their
clients.
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> Jerry McAllister writes:
>
> > Unfortunately, it is sort of true. If someone chose something other
> > than IBM and something screwed up, the chooser would get wailed upon
> > for making a dumb choice. If then chose IBM and something screwed up
> > as it most often did, they could say, wel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jerry McAllister writes:
>
>> Well, that same odor seems to come on those winds from the northwest
>> as well.If you are a middle manager, you don't have to justify
>> paying scads of money to buy an MS "solution" and any screwups are
>> just the way life is. But you
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
>
>> If you put anything other than Microsoft Office in front of those
>> people they will spend endless hours complaining about how much
>> better a job they can do (as if they are capabable of doing anything
>> better than their normal half-asse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
>
>> Daniel, if I'm running a big company and I pay a developer a chunk of
>> change for a distributed FreeBSD server manager program, or some such
>> thing like that, I am not going to pay them if they are going to take
>> the money and run out
Jerry McAllister writes:
> Unfortunately, it is sort of true. If someone chose something other
> than IBM and something screwed up, the chooser would get wailed upon
> for making a dumb choice. If then chose IBM and something screwed up
> as it most often did, they could say, well that is just
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh --
> > Shire.Net LLC
> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:11 AM
> > To: List Free Bsd
> > Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from F
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> it's this short-term thinking which will be fatal for this planet after
> all
I'll agree that it's not very intelligent thinking for the long term,
but that's the way most businesses reason these days. They think only
about the next fiscal quarter, and never beyond.
Daniel writes:
> my scenario was this: i'm a big company and i use FreeBSD coz it
> suites best for my needs; let's say among others that my/a programming
> team built something on top of it ;
> because i want the system to work as flawless as possible i pay a
> monthly fee for support - say som
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:10:57 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
>
> > well, if a big company pays for support, those money would allow
> > FreeBSD to have some more people (developers or not) focus on giving
> > the support (fixing/answering) while the developers do their job...i
> > believe this is
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:22:00 +0100
Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ... they are too lazy to learn something different ...
>
> It's not cost-effective to train them on anything different. They
> already know Office, so put Office in front of them. It's cheaper to
> buy them a co
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> If you put anything other than Microsoft Office in front of those
> people they will spend endless hours complaining about how much
> better a job they can do (as if they are capabable of doing anything
> better than their normal half-assed job of anything) if they have
Daniel writes:
> well, if a big company pays for support, those money would allow
> FreeBSD to have some more people (developers or not) focus on giving
> the support (fixing/answering) while the developers do their job...i
> believe this is quite natural course of action
Paying for support would
Ted Mittelstaedt writes:
> Daniel, if I'm running a big company and I pay a developer a chunk of
> change for a distributed FreeBSD server manager program, or some such
> thing like that, I am not going to pay them if they are going to take
> the money and run out and work on their own projects.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julien Gabel
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:54 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
>
> Yes, i do
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daniel
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:35 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Fwd: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
> sorry, i should have sent this to en
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chad Leigh --
> Shire.Net LLC
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:11 AM
> To: List Free Bsd
> Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2005, a
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:02:20 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
>
> > would not these things be worthy of implementing in FreeBSD? this way
> > other big companies would use it, pay you guys for it and FreeBSD will
> > grow stronger...
>
> There are other obstacles to deployment of FreeBSD in large
On Friday 25 February 2005 12:04 am, Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i hardly think that companies that use and enhance FreeBSD adding
> features that they (and maybe others) need, would submit back those
> enhacements - BSD license...
Happens all the time - the goodwill is stronger than the l
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daniel
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:04 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
> by making money i did not
On Feb 25, 2005, at 1:01 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
And they are still buying Microsoft Office because their users are
demanding it.
I don't believe this. I believe that a few users demand it, and by
default everyone else gets it. Some manager or IT VP or someone
decides that is the new corp s
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:48:05 -0500 (EST), Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > would not these things be worthy of implementing in FreeBSD? this way
> > other big companies would use it, pay you guys for it and FreeBSD will
> > grow stronger...
> > making a good OS that runs on cheap, low-end machines is
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:02 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
> Daniel writes:
&
Daniel writes:
> would not these things be worthy of implementing in FreeBSD? this way
> other big companies would use it, pay you guys for it and FreeBSD will
> grow stronger...
There are other obstacles to deployment of FreeBSD in large
organizations. The main one is a lack of formal, guarante
>>> That doesen't mean of course that it's impossible to do it - you can for
>>> example use Solaris for a small company server - but the effort required
>>> to go against the grain is much higher. Solaris for example comes with
>>> no compiler and you must compile by hand all the applications you
>
> sorry, i should have sent this to entire list...
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:43:32 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote among others...
> >
> > FreeBSD does not have some of the things - such as distributed management
> > of hundreds to thousands of FreeBSD servers over a large enterprise -
> > that
sorry, i should have sent this to entire list...
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:43:32 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote among others...
>
> FreeBSD does not have some of the things - such as distributed management
> of hundreds to thousands of FreeBSD servers over a large enterprise -
> that
> are a requireme
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julien Gabel
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:22 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
> > That
> That doesen't mean of course that it's impossible to do it - you can for
> example use Solaris for a small company server - but the effort required
> to go against the grain is much higher. Solaris for example comes with no
> compiler and you must compile by hand all the applications you need, an
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Freminlins
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:42 AM
> To: Jorn Argelo
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Is Yahoo! moving from FreeBSD?
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 20
RW writes:
> Having said that, once they start using Linux, I wonder how long they will
> want to keep both FreeBSD and Linux.
Probably not forever. But it could go either way. They might tire of
FreeBSD and switch entirely to Linux ... or they might tire of Linux and
switch entirely to FreeBSD
On Wednesday 23 February 2005 14:00, Freminlins wrote:
> "But in December, Yahoo started to port its homegrown infrastructure
> applications from its custom operating system to Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux 4.0, which was in beta at the time and was released last week.
> Plans call for a gradual migra
Jorn Argelo writes:
> I don't think that they would. That'll be a massive migration involving lots
> and lots of costs. They have to pay for RedHat Enterprise too. The only reason
> I can think off is that they want support.
Support is a pretty big reason for most companies.
In a few years, RedH
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:42:14 +, Freminlins wrote
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:36:36 +0100, Jorn Argelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I don't think that they would. That'll be a massive migration involving lots
> > and lots of costs. They have to pay for RedHat Enterprise too. The only
> > reas
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:36:36 +0100, Jorn Argelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think that they would. That'll be a massive migration involving lots
> and lots of costs. They have to pay for RedHat Enterprise too. The only reason
> I can think off is that they want support.Perhaps I missed a
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:00:31 +, Freminlins wrote
> "But in December, Yahoo started to port its homegrown infrastructure
> applications from its custom operating system to Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux 4.0, which was in beta at the time and was released last week.
> Plans call for a gradual migrati
"But in December, Yahoo started to port its homegrown infrastructure
applications from its custom operating system to Red Hat Enterprise
Linux 4.0, which was in beta at the time and was released last week.
Plans call for a gradual migration of more applications to Linux, but
the timing and number w
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