On 9/6/2011 10:44 AM, Michael Doyle wrote:
Lots of other people have given good answers. I'm just chiming in on
points 3 and 7
On 20 Aug 2011, at 05:47, Evan Busch wrote:
What is a quality operating system?
I work as a database developer in an SME. I support end users on Mac OSX
and
Lots of other people have given good answers. I'm just chiming in on
points 3 and 7
On 20 Aug 2011, at 05:47, Evan Busch wrote:
What is a quality operating system?
I work as a database developer in an SME. I support end users on Mac
OSX and Windows XP .. Windows Vista
clients, and
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why
Sorry, it's looks roughly applicable here.
I'm guilty too, but I don't want/use binary upgrades.
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Maybe I can play Diplomat here, considering that I use both BSD and
Linux and Windows, and I won't pretend to care about any of your
feelings and just be Honest:
On 8/20/2011 2:09 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser
dave-free...@pooserville.com wrote:
3)
On 03/09/2011 10:17, Allen wrote:
Try that on any version of BSD before PC-BSD came around. I get that a
lot of BSD people are programmers and like looking at source code, but
personally, not being a coder, I don't CARE what flags something uses
However, I, as a systems administrator that
Hi,
Reference:
From: Allen unix.hac...@comcast.net
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 05:17:51 -0400
Message-id: 4e61f0bf.9030...@comcast.net
Allen wrote:
Maybe I can play Diplomat here, considering that I use both BSD and
..^
Linux and Windows, and I won't
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 09:04:28PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 27 August 2011:
I've decided to provide the professional response Evan claims to
crave:
Dear Evan,
We appreciate your feedback on the quality, scope, and focus of our
--As of August 28, 2011 9:10:34 AM -0600, Chad Perrin is alleged to have
said:
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 09:04:28PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 27 August 2011:
I've decided to provide the professional response Evan claims to
crave:
Dear Evan,
We
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:21:06PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
What do you mean? All you need is some random link to a random survey URL.
The fact that the survey doesn't mention anything about the product in
question, the type of issue addressed, what type of response he was given,
or
On Thursday 25 August 2011 01:39:54 Polytropon wrote:
Last, suppose you issue a general invitation for people to go over to
your house for a free dinner, with food that you know (because you
helped in preparing it!) in your heart and taste to be excellent, well
prepared and nutritious.
I can see this will be important here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
But allow me to say
that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_
way, you should always bring examples and name _concrete_
points
Quoth Evan Busch on Saturday, 27 August 2011:
In most cases, documentation requires you to have a minimal
clue of what you're doing. There's terminology you simply
have to know, and concepts to understand in order to use
the documentation.
See the Wikipedia page above -- the problem
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:56:16PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote:
I can see this will be important here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
But allow me to say
that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Aug 27 13:58:08 2011
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500
From: Evan Busch antiequal...@gmail.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: A quality operating system
I can see this will be important here
On Saturday 27 August 2011 16:58:06 Frank Shute wrote:
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:56:16PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote:
[Snip..]
If so, it's just them trying to cover up the inherently defensive and
reactionary nature of their comments.
They're inherently defensive and reactionary because
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 09:48:45PM -0300, Mario Lobo wrote:
So, to exhaust everything I have to say on this subject, I will try to
translate the best I can, two popular sayings here in my country. I
hope I can make their meaning get through.
I think both translations carried quite a lot of
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500, Evan Busch wrote:
I can see this will be important here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
But allow me to say
that _if_ you are interested in contributing in _that_
way,
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 05:09:26AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500, Evan Busch wrote:
I've never had this problem when the claims have been stated
professionally -- only here.
But the claims HAVEN'T been stated professionally. You didn't bring
_one_ example,
Quoth Chad Perrin on Saturday, 27 August 2011:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 05:09:26AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:56:16 -0500, Evan Busch wrote:
I've never had this problem when the claims have been stated
professionally -- only here.
But the claims HAVEN'T been
On 08/25/2011 07:39 AM, Polytropon wrote:
[...]
and you have to get all
the strange concepts in line, beginning with drive letters
and ending in reboots after few changes.:-)
The FreeBSD documentation even keeps that in mind: It mentions
the Windows terms for things just in case some reader is
I didn't expect this much response. Some interesting stuff:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Test Rat ttse...@gmail.com wrote:
There is an ongoing discussion on arch@ about this.
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2011-August/011412.html
This is an excellent discussion. Thank
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:02:18 -0500, Evan Busch wrote:
I didn't expect this much response.
You always get what you deserve on this list. :-)
No, seriously: There are participants of this list who
understand complains and other statements in a critical
tone as inspiration for improvement. But
Baloney.
Sure, nothing human is perfect, that includes the people behind FreeBSD and
also the OS.
But compared to (gasp!,) windoz and linux, (not too bad, but it's as
non-secure as windoz!,) FreeBSD and OpenBSD standout for one reason, their
better.
I would like to see negotiate a deal to give
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:48:46 -0400, Henry Olyer wrote:
Sure, nothing human is perfect, that includes the people behind FreeBSD and
also the OS.
And even if the OS is perfect, its 3rd party applications may be not.
But compared to (gasp!,) windoz and linux, (not too bad, but it's as
Hi Evan;
Please allow me some comments.
On Wednesday 24 August 2011 23:02:18 Evan Busch wrote:
I didn't expect this much response.
That's a bit naive and shows how much you don't know this list.
Some interesting stuff:
Here, this is mostly the case. Even the trolls are so.
On Sat, Aug
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 01:24:51 -0300, Mario Lobo wrote:
Well, I think the handbook has got its name wrong. To me, it should have been
called handybook. What you're saying sounds more like you wanted the handbook
to be a usage tutorial, which it's NOT what it is supposed to be.
That's a valid
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:13:32 -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote:
Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart
between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some
reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason FreeBSD would
stop existing... serious users of
Allow me some short :-) comments.
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:18:50 -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote:
Disagree. I've worked with FreeBSD since 6.2 and it's only been
getting better and better. FreeBSD is getting faster and better whilst
Linux really seems to have drifted from direction like you say.
On 08/23/11 10:24, Polytropon wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:13:32 -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote:
Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart
between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some
reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason FreeBSD would
On 21/08/2011 03:47, Jorge Biquez wrote:
Hello.
I insist Can we know what was the OS you all decided to use ?
Thanks
Jorge Biquez
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On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Matthew Seaman
m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
On 21/08/2011 05:13, Jorge Biquez wrote:
if for some reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason
FreeBSD would stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be
your next OS?
If the
On Aug 21, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Adam Vande More wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net wrote:
--As of August 20, 2011 7:01:07 PM -0700, Carl G Smith is alleged to have
said:
I have heard that the OS X OS is based on FreeBSD. Is this true?
--As for the
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:13:32PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote:
Hello.
;=) Thanks for the comments.. :=)
No, I am curious what they decided to use that covers all the points
, at least better that FreeBSD.
Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart
between all
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:13:32PM -0500, Jorge Biquez wrote:
Hello.
;=) Thanks for the comments.. :=)
No, I am curious what they decided to use that covers all the points , at
least better that FreeBSD.
Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart between
all
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Evan Busch antiequal...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Hi Evan, I think your post should spark a reality check for many here
but I come from the Linux world and I must say that at least in all
tthe techincal aspects my experience has been completely different, so
I have
On 21/08/2011 05:13, Jorge Biquez wrote:
if for some reason, I know it is impossible, but if for some reason
FreeBSD would stop existing... serious users of FreeBSD, what would be
your next OS?
If the FreeBSD project disbanded (for some unimaginable reason), then I
guess I'd have to choose an
Evan Busch antiequal...@gmail.com writes:
[...]
Even when you get big parts of the operating system correct, it's the
thousand little details that have been forgotten, ignored or snootily
written off that add up to many hours of frustration for the end user.
This is not necessary frustration,
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 07:47, Evan Busch antiequal...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me.
Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary.
Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD.
Perhaps you would be happier at an Apple Store.
I lost you at documentation. Obviously you have not read the handbook, or one
of the excellent books -- Absolute BSD for example.
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:47:04 -0500
Evan Busch antiequal...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work
with me.
Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a
quandary. Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against
Hello.
Very interesting... let's see the answers from the experts
By the way maybe answer me off topic... so then what was your
choice of OS?
Jorge Biquez
At 11:47 p.m. 19/08/2011, you wrote:
Hi,
I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me.
Talking
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:47:04PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote:
Hi,
I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me.
Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary.
Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD.
What is odd
On 8/20/11 1:49 AM, Test Rat ttse...@gmail.com wrote:
There is an ongoing discussion on arch@ about this.
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2011-August/011412.html
Thanks for posting that link; it covered some of the reasons I'm retiring
my office FreeBSD servers in favor of
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:47:04 -0500
Evan Busch antiequal...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with
me.
Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary.
Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against
My comments inline. Summary: utter rubbish.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Evan Busch antiequal...@gmail.com wrote:
(1) Lack of direction.
FreeBSD is still not sure whether it is a desktop OS, or a server OS.
Not at all the case. FreeBSD is a server OS. Desktop features get
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser
dave-free...@pooserville.com wrote:
3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but
that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more
difficult than yum update -- full stop.
Are you lazy, or stupid? man
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:47:04PM -0500, Evan Busch wrote:
I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me.
Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary.
Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD.
What is odd about
On Aug 20, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Evan Busch wrote:
Hi,
I make decisions about hardware and software for those who work with me.
Talking with my second in command this morning, we reached a quandary.
Ron is completely pro-Linux and pro-Windows, and against FreeBSD.
What is odd about this
Allos me to share some individual thoughts. Note that those
are _my own_ and maybe do _not_ apply to anyone else. Still
they may be helpful for inspiration, and just if it's only
a different point of view.
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:47:04 -0500, Evan Busch wrote:
He asked me a question that stopped
+10
I really like ppl thinking, that someone will create/develop/maitain an OS
just for them. There are hundreds of chocices: OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, +
forks, Windoze, hundreds (and growing) of different linux distros, Solaris,
Minix, vxworks, even MSDOS :)
Feel free to choose. If there will be
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12:00PM -0500, Dave Pooser wrote:
1) I really don't see the Handbook as all that great. It's great that a
volunteer team put it together, but when I compare it to
https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/ or
--As of August 20, 2011 12:12:00 PM -0500, Dave Pooser is alleged to have
said:
3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel, but
that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be more
difficult than yum update -- full stop.
--As for the rest, it is mine.
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700
Michael Sierchio articulated:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser
dave-free...@pooserville.com wrote:
3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel,
but that I *have* to is ridiculous. Updating a server should not be
more
--As of August 20, 2011 4:22:45 PM -0400, Jerry is alleged to have said:
I have never wasted my time with it personally; however, I thought I
read somewhere that it did not work if the user had built a custom
kernel. From what I have seen written regarding it, you have to move the
custom kernel
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:22:45 -0400, Jerry wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:09:53 -0700
Michael Sierchio articulated:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Dave Pooser
dave-free...@pooserville.com wrote:
3) Updates are a mess. It's cool that I *can* compile a new kernel,
but that I *have*
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
That's correct. The freebsd-update program is _not_ to be used
for few specific cases, i. e. the OS version is a -STABLE or
even -CURRENT one, or the user is running a non-GENERIC kernel.
In such cases, updating from source
On 8/20/11 1:09 PM, Michael Sierchio ku...@tenebras.com wrote:
Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update
You know, someone more clever than you might have read enough of the
message to realize that since I specifically referenced DTrace support as
a FreeBSD advantage, I would have to be using
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Dave Pooser
dave-free...@pooserville.comwrote:
On 8/20/11 1:09 PM, Michael Sierchio ku...@tenebras.com wrote:
Are you lazy, or stupid? man freebsd-update
You know, someone more clever than you might have read enough of the
message to realize that since I
On 8/20/11 4:38 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote:
freebsd-update works quite well and quickly on systems with a custom
kernel with the additional caveat you *should* rebuild and install the
kernel afterward, and even this isn't always necessary. This is assuming
you're on RELEASE
Meanwhile, the OP has run away giggling like a juvenile who just threw a
rock at a hornets nest.
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Dave Pooser
dave-free...@pooserville.comwrote:
On 8/20/11 1:09 PM, Michael Sierchio
Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500,
Dave Pooser dave-free...@pooserville.com a écrit :
An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on
RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8.1
and then 8.2.
Me! Because if it works, don't break it..
All of this adds up to a quality operating system in theory that does
not translate into quality in reality.
You alienate users and place the burden upon them to sort through your
mess, then sneer at them.
You alienate business, professional and artistic users with your
insistence on
I use FreeBSD 9, 8.2 and 8.1.
OS X 10.7 (Lion)
Windows 7 Professional (64-bit), Windows Vista Ultimate (64-bit) and Windows XP
Professional (32-bit).
iOS 4, Blackberry 6 and Android 2.2.2.
Oh, you weren't asking me. Sorry. :-p
On Aug 20, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Jorge Biquez wrote:
Hello.
I
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From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Olivares
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:06 PM
To: Evan Busch
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: A quality operating system
All of this adds up
On Saturday 20 August 2011 19:47:07 Fish Kungfu wrote:
Meanwhile, the OP has run away giggling like a juvenile who just threw a
rock at a hornets nest.
You bet! The OP (and Rob) were probably just bored, but Vadim Goncharov was
definetly NOT! (Thanks Test Rat!)
--As of August 20, 2011 7:01:07 PM -0700, Carl G Smith is alleged to have
said:
I have heard that the OS X OS is based on FreeBSD. Is this true?
--As for the rest, it is mine.
Partially. It combines a mostly Mach kernel with some FreeBSD-derived
userland and interfaces, then adds a
Hello.
;=) Thanks for the comments.. :=)
No, I am curious what they decided to use that covers all the points
, at least better that FreeBSD.
Seriously I would like to see or hear about the comparison chart
between all OSs. And a question arrive to my mind... if for some
reason, I know
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 05:12:19PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Duane == Duane Hill du...@duanemail.org writes:
Duane Saturday, August 20, 2011, 6:23:05 PM, wrote:
Le Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500,
Dave Pooser dave-free...@pooserville.com a écrit :
An honest question here-- how
Well This should spawn some interesting responses. I shall sit back and
enjoy
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