Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
Jerry McAllister wrote: Matthias Buelow writes: And your point is..? I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. To where?FreeBSD is not marketed in any particular way - on purpose. No one wants to do it, so no one will do it. jerry I want to, and frequently do, market FreeB

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Kevin Kinsey writes: > I'm guessing *you* are atypical in this. I know that I am not. About 95% of all problems with Windows machines are experienced by about 5% of the user base. The rest of the world has no problems. > Most of our Windows boxes are rather stable. But our FreeBSD ones are > s

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Matthias Buelow writes: > Well, if you just run a set of 1-3 applications, and don't do anything > else with the computer, there shouldn't be much of a difference. True, if those applications run identically on both platforms. > Apart from making a political statement, the advantage is > of cour

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Jeremy C. Reed writes: Being able to run a desktop for over a hundred days without reboots, without annoying continuous software failures, without worry of malicious (or anoying) pop-ups, virus, and malware, and being able to quickly do my desktop work is a good reason t

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Matthias Buelow
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Or the city administration of Munich, which intends to move its Windows desktops to a Linux/KDE-based installation. Why not just burn taxpayer euro in a bonfire? It would have the same end result and it would be faster. Well, if you just run a set of 1-3 applications, and

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Matthias Buelow writes: > This is not so much about FreeBSD, as the Unix+X11 combination in > general. It does not provide the fully integrated system the typical > end-user, coming from a Windows or Mac perspective, expects. That it > nevertheless works well enough for persons with a technica

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Matthias Buelow
Jeremy C. Reed wrote: (Nevertheless, it is not time to advertise FreeBSD as a "desktop" alternative.) This is not so much about FreeBSD, as the Unix+X11 combination in general. It does not provide the fully integrated system the typical end-user, coming from a Windows or Mac perspective, expects

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-12 Thread Stephan Lichtenauer
Am 12.02.2005 um 00:00 schrieb Johnson David: From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's also well suited for the desktop. That doesn't mean that we should be stressing the des

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
> > Matthias Buelow writes: > > > And your point is..? > > I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. To where?FreeBSD is not marketed in any particular way - on purpose. No one wants to do it, so no one will do it. jerry > > -- > Anthony > > > ___

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > That depends on the OS to which you compare it. In isolation, FreeBSD > works on the desktop, just as most UNIX operating systems do, but in > comparison to Windows or the Mac, it's a rather sorry excuse for a > desktop. But no OS can do it all, no

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: Not in public it doesn't. That is irrelevant to the discussion. FreeBSD does not work on my PPC HW either. Score: 12 out of 100. The meeting is over, and a security guard will show you the door. Try again. D

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Robert Marella
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 04:34 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: > Robert Marella wrote: > > >>MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and it works > >>better than anything else at being a "desktop". > > Does it work on my intel hardware? > > And your point is..? > > mkb. Market share

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Matthias Buelow writes: > And your point is..? I can see that FreeBSD marketing has a long way to go. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC writes: > Not in public it doesn't. That is irrelevant to the discussion. > FreeBSD does not work on my PPC HW either. Score: 12 out of 100. The meeting is over, and a security guard will show you the door. Try again. -- Anthony _

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Robert Marella writes: > Does it work on my intel hardware? Two basic responses, one right, one wrong: Wrong: "Of course it does, you idiot! Don't you know anything about hardware?" Right: "FreeBSD easily supports the full range of Intel microprocessors and virtually all Intel motherboards and

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Matthias Buelow
Robert Marella wrote: MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and it works better than anything else at being a "desktop". Does it work on my intel hardware? And your point is..? mkb. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 8:32 PM, Robert Marella wrote: On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 03:14 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: Johnson David wrote: Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop today. We need to s

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Robert Marella
On Sat, 2005-02-12 at 03:14 +0100, Matthias Buelow wrote: > Johnson David wrote: > > > Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But > > that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop > > today. We need to stop the official discouragement of d

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Matthias Buelow writes: > MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and it works > better than anything else at being a "desktop". Considering the sorry > state of integrated "desktops" on Unix today (i.e., Gnome and KDE) and > compare it with Windows, do you really think that will co

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Matthias Buelow
Johnson David wrote: Currently Windows rules the desktop world, even for diehard Unix shops. But that will not last forever. We need to start thinking about the desktop today. We need to stop the official discouragement of desktop FreeBSD. MacOS X is the "Desktop BSD". It is available today, and i

Re: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire . Net LLC
On Feb 11, 2005, at 4:00 PM, Johnson David wrote: From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's also well suited for the desktop. Anthony had the same misguided opinion in the Apac

RE: SPAM: Score 3.3: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not...

2005-02-11 Thread Johnson David
From: Anthony Atkielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Because FreeBSD is a server, not a desktop. Agree and disagree. While FreeBSD is well suited for the server, it's also well suited for the desktop. That doesn't mean that we should be stressing the desktop to those shopping for servers, instead