Re: Learning UNIX internals

2005-05-07 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Jon Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 5/7/05, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are interested in Unix and FreeBSD this is a good choice: [McKusick/Neville-Neil,The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System, ISBN 0201702452] Thank you Chris: The problem

Re[2]: Learning UNIX internals

2005-05-07 Thread Sergey S. Ropchan
On 5/7/05, Jon Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I was thinking of getting one of these two books. I want to learn more about how UNIX and in particular, FreeBSD work. Has anyone read either of these books? UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers by Uresh Vahalia I have read this book. I

Re: Learning UNIX internals

2005-05-07 Thread RW
On Saturday 07 May 2005 17:30, Jon Drews wrote: On 5/7/05, Chris Hodgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are interested in Unix and FreeBSD this is a good choice: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0201702452/r eviews/026-9762435-1924466 Thank you Chris

Re: Max files in unix folder from PIL process

2005-03-28 Thread David Pratt
Hi. I am creating a python application that uses PIL to generate thumbnails and sized images. It is beginning to look the volume of images will be large. This has got me to thinking. Is there a number that Unix can handle in a single directory. I am using FreeBSD4.x at the moment. I am

Re: Max files in unix folder from PIL process

2005-03-28 Thread Corey Brune
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:25:28 -0400, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I am creating a python application that uses PIL to generate thumbnails and sized images. It is beginning to look the volume of images will be large. This has got me to thinking. Is there a number that Unix can

Re: Max files in unix folder from PIL process

2005-03-28 Thread David Pratt
Hi Corey. Thank you for your reply. 800K is pretty significant. Yes, the reason I want to use the filesystem is to avoid the speed problems that come from storing images in the database. I can see there really being no limit when it comes to spreading the numbers thinner but most concerned

Re: Max files in unix folder from PIL process

2005-03-28 Thread Danny Pansters
On Tuesday 29 March 2005 03:25, David Pratt wrote: Hi. I am creating a python application that uses PIL to generate thumbnails and sized images. It is beginning to look the volume of images will be large. This has got me to thinking. Is there a number that Unix can handle in a single

Re: Who creates /tmp/.X11-unix directory?

2005-02-18 Thread Dick Hoogendijk
On 18 Feb Anthony Atkielski wrote: Dick Hoogendijk writes: No. The 'new' /etc/rc script does that. Kde problems after cleaning out /tmp are solved now too. You can freely enable clear_tmp_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf again. It does indeed reappear at startup, although

Re: Who creates /tmp/.X11-unix directory?

2005-02-17 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Who creates the /tmp/.X11-unix directory, and why? I'm not running x-anything on my system, but there's a directory out there that was touched a few days ago. And probably coincides with your last reboot. $sockstat -u | grep X11 might tell you what's up. Screensaver

Re: Who creates /tmp/.X11-unix directory?

2005-02-17 Thread Dick Hoogendijk
On 17 Feb Kevin Kinsey wrote: Anthony Atkielski wrote: Who creates the /tmp/.X11-unix directory, and why? I'm not running x-anything on my system, but there's a directory out there that was touched a few days ago. might tell you what's up. Screensaver, perhaps? No. The 'new' /etc/rc

Re: Who creates /tmp/.X11-unix directory?

2005-02-17 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Kevin Kinsey writes: And probably coincides with your last reboot. Hmm ... yes, it looks like it does. $sockstat -u | grep X11 might tell you what's up. Shows nothing at the moment. Screensaver, perhaps? I don't have the screensaver enabled in rc.conf. I do run vidfont and vidcontrol

Re: Who creates /tmp/.X11-unix directory?

2005-02-17 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Dick Hoogendijk writes: No. The 'new' /etc/rc script does that. Kde problems after cleaning out /tmp are solved now too. You can freely enable clear_tmp_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf again. It does indeed reappear at startup, although clear_tmp_enable=YES does not appear to eliminate it. But at

Re: (Google) Sr. Linux/Unix Release Engineer Opening

2005-02-12 Thread Erik Norgaard
Tod Vanlandingham wrote: Please let me know if you are open to posting the job description below. I am currently looking for a Sr. Linux/Unix Release Engineer and would be very grateful is you could pass this information along to your UG members. While you certainly hit a broader audience here, I

(Google) Sr. Linux/Unix Release Engineer Opening

2005-02-11 Thread Tod Vanlandingham
Please let me know if you are open to posting the job description below. I am currently looking for a Sr. Linux/Unix Release Engineer and would be very grateful is you could pass this information along to your UG members. Thank you, Tod Vanlandingham Google Sourcer (650) 623-4291 [EMAIL

[OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)?

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew L. Gould
Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If so, how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest mechanism for this. I want my grandson to have free access to the (Windows) computers; but I want an adult to manually authorize internet access to prevent

Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)?

2005-02-09 Thread Hexren
ALG Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If so, ALG how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest mechanism ALG for this. ALG I want my grandson to have free access to the (Windows) computers; but I ALG want an adult to manually authorize internet access

Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)?

2005-02-09 Thread Vince Hoffman
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Hexren wrote: ALG Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If so, ALG how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest mechanism ALG for this. ALG I want my grandson to have free access to the (Windows) computers; but I ALG want an adult to

Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)?

2005-02-09 Thread Volker Kindermann
Hi Andrew, Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If so, how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest mechanism for this. as Hexren posted, putty is good for doing this. You can configure it so that the user just has to doubleclick the icon and provide

Re: [OT] easy authpf access from Windows (for non-unix users)?

2005-02-09 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Wednesday 09 February 2005 02:49 pm, Volker Kindermann wrote: Hi Andrew, Is anyone running authpf with Windows clients in the network? If so, how are the Windows clients logging in? What's the easiest mechanism for this. as Hexren posted, putty is good for doing this. You can

Re: Unix equivalent of a variant??

2005-02-03 Thread Jay Moore
On Tuesday 01 February 2005 10:43 am, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: Hey everyone, I'm finally doing something very exciting here at work: porting software to Unix! I need the equivalent of a variant, however. A hold-everything variable that can be any type in C/C++. Is there something already

Re: Unix equivalent of a variant??

2005-02-03 Thread John
On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 05:21:41AM -0600, Jay Moore wrote: On Tuesday 01 February 2005 10:43 am, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: Hey everyone, I'm finally doing something very exciting here at work: porting software to Unix! I need the equivalent of a variant, however. A hold-everything

Re: Unix equivalent of a variant??

2005-02-02 Thread Jason Stewart
Hey everyone, I'm finally doing something very exciting here at work: porting software to Unix! I need the equivalent of a variant, however. A hold-everything variable that can be any type in C/C++. Is there something already out there I can use or should I just roll my own? Are you

Re: Unix equivalent of a variant??

2005-02-02 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 09:04:20AM -0500, Jason Stewart wrote: : Hey everyone, : : I'm finally doing something very exciting here at work: porting software to : Unix! : : I need the equivalent of a variant, however. A hold-everything variable : that can be any type in C/C

Unix equivalent of a variant??

2005-02-01 Thread Jonathon McKitrick
Hey everyone, I'm finally doing something very exciting here at work: porting software to Unix! I need the equivalent of a variant, however. A hold-everything variable that can be any type in C/C++. Is there something already out there I can use or should I just roll my own? jm

Re: Unix equivalent of a variant??

2005-02-01 Thread Charles Swiger
On Feb 1, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I need the equivalent of a variant, however. A hold-everything variable that can be any type in C/C++. Is there something already out there I can use or should I just roll my own? Your question probably belongs on comp.lang.c, but the

Re: Unix equivalent of a variant??

2005-02-01 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Feb 1, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: I need the equivalent of a variant, however. A hold-everything variable that can be any type in C/C++. Is there something already out there I can use or should I just roll my own? Your

UNIX-Based VPN Applications

2005-01-12 Thread Martin McCormick
I have been asked as to whether there are any VPN applications that can run on UNIX clients using Linux, FreeBSD, and MacOS. I think the general idea is that they could tunnel in from outside of our campus and receive an IP number on our network. There would probably be a UNIX server

Re: UNIX-Based VPN Applications

2005-01-12 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 11:19 am, Martin McCormick wrote: I have been asked as to whether there are any VPN applications that can run on UNIX clients using Linux, FreeBSD, and MacOS. I think the general idea is that they could tunnel in from outside of our campus and receive an IP

RE: UNIX-Based VPN Applications

2005-01-12 Thread Tom Connolly
Martin McCormick wrote: I have been asked as to whether there are any VPN applications that can run on UNIX clients using Linux, FreeBSD, and MacOS. I think the general idea is that they could tunnel in from outside of our campus and receive an IP number on our network

Re: UNIX-Based VPN Applications

2005-01-12 Thread Eric F Crist
On Jan 12, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: I have been asked as to whether there are any VPN applications that can run on UNIX clients using Linux, FreeBSD, and MacOS. I think the general idea is that they could tunnel in from outside of our campus and receive an IP number

From a mild user of UNIX

2004-12-10 Thread syed zaidi
Dear sir/madam, my name is syed zaidi and I am writing to you concerning FreeBSD UNIX. I am currently using and learning RedHat Linux 9 and I am trying to have a taste of most types of famous and useful UNIX/LINUX operating systems. I wanted to know the differences between

RE: From a mild user of UNIX

2004-12-10 Thread Subhro
: Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: From a mild user of UNIX Dear sir/madam, my name is syed zaidi and I am writing to you concerning FreeBSD UNIX. I am currently using and learning RedHat Linux 9 and I am trying to have a taste of most

Re: From a mild user of UNIX

2004-12-10 Thread Duane Winner
concerning FreeBSD UNIX. I am currently using and learning RedHat Linux 9 and I am trying to have a taste of most types of famous and useful UNIX/LINUX operating systems. I wanted to know the differences between FreeBSD UNIX and redhat Linux 9, I know many exist. But I would like to dig deeper

[Fwd: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk84/work/tk8.4.6/unix.]

2004-11-29 Thread Michael Janis
? Many thanks in advance for any help or suggestions. Yours, Michael Janis -Forwarded Message- From: Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cheebah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk84/work/tk8.4.6/unix. Date: Wed, 24 Nov

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk84/work/tk8.4.6/unix.

2004-11-24 Thread Cheebah
Hi how are you going? I am just emailing you regarding the following post. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-May/045744.htm l I am receiving the same errors and am wondering if you ever had any joy in solving this problem? Any suggestions would be greatly

Re: Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/tk84/work/tk8.4.6/unix.

2004-11-24 Thread Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.
Cheebah wrote: Hi how are you going? I am just emailing you regarding the following post. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-May/045744.html I am receiving the same errors and am wondering if you ever had any joy in solving this problem? Any suggestions would be

Re: blackbox, bbkeys, and .xinit... (solved) -- UNIX behind the scenes

2004-11-04 Thread Mike Hauber
the both commands in the background (say, if there are more commands to be run after the two commands)... blackbox bbkeys See also... - Get a good introductory Unix book - Man page for the shell which will execute your .xinit - Search Google Groups at http://groups.google.com

Re: blackbox, bbkeys, and .xinit... (solved) -- UNIX behind the scenes

2004-11-04 Thread Henrik W Lund
in the background (say, if there are more commands to be run after the two commands)... blackbox bbkeys See also... - Get a good introductory Unix book - Man page for the shell which will execute your .xinit - Search Google Groups at http://groups.google.com/ ... + comp.unix.* newsgroups

Re: blackbox, bbkeys, and .xinit... (solved) -- UNIX behind the scenes

2004-11-04 Thread Parv
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Mike Hauber thusly... On Wednesday 03 November 2004 09:25 pm, Parv proclaimed: In your situation, blackbox runs in the background bbkeys in foreground. If you wanted to run bbkeys only if blackbox runs, then do AND operation ... blackbox

Re: blackbox, bbkeys, and .xinit... (solved) -- UNIX behind the scenes

2004-11-04 Thread Mike Hauber
On Thursday 04 November 2004 03:43 pm, you proclaimed: Mike Hauber wrote: On Wednesday 03 November 2004 09:25 pm, Parv proclaimed: in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Mike Hauber thusly... I discovered that with the line blackbox bbkeys in the script, the bbscript remains when I exit

Re: blackbox, bbkeys, and .xinit... (solved) -- UNIX behind the scenes

2004-11-03 Thread Mike Hauber
I log back in, and I don't see any core dumps. Therefore I have to assume that this is also a clean kill (which is okay with me, but I still don't understand why). Obviously the ampersand is not FreeBSD specific, but *NIX in general so I've googled around and searched some generic UNIX sites

Re: blackbox, bbkeys, and .xinit... (solved) -- UNIX behind the scenes

2004-11-03 Thread Parv
, if there are more commands to be run after the two commands)... blackbox bbkeys See also... - Get a good introductory Unix book - Man page for the shell which will execute your .xinit - Search Google Groups at http://groups.google.com/ ... + comp.unix.* newsgroups for foreground background

RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Micheal Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:26 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows Bottom Line. We're lazy

RE: [OT] Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Budd Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows It doesn't seem to matter whether the topic is international

Re: [OT] Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-29 Thread Micheal Patterson
. - Original Message - From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Budd [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:03 AM Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-27 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Micheal Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:23 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows I've seen the stuff with my

RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-27 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said it takes a higher talent level to generally administer a un*x box than a windows box. I

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-27 Thread Micheal Patterson
. - Original Message - From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Micheal Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:24 AM Subject: RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows I'll make this short

[OT] Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-27 Thread Ed Budd
little snip I'll make this short, sweet, and to the point. The Human Race, is by nature a lazy race. We, as in, ALL humans, strive to make our life easier. I'm well aware of monopolies and their effect on us. I'm also aware of how technology has changed our lives. If you think that you, or I don't

RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: Micheal Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:44 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows Honestly, what makes you think

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread terry tyson
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:20:08 -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip PMFJI, (especially since I'm a newbie) but I think I understand at least some of what Ted is saying here. I set up a home firewall and later had a hardware failure. I replaced the box and decided to use Mandrake

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread Butterworth, Thaddaeus (UI Exploratory)
worth, there's my .02. Thad Butterworth Windows WAS simpler than UNIX. No longer. You need to get out into the field again, you have been sitting behind a desk managing things for too long. I'd love to see you setup a Active Directory network of any size that contains mixed

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-10-26 07:42, Butterworth, Thaddaeus (UI Exploratory) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work in a testing environment where I have set up both Windows and *nix type servers. The first time I set up a server it was Exchange 2003 on Windows Server 2003. I was able to figure out how to securely

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread Micheal Patterson
- Original Message - From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Micheal Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:20 AM Subject: RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows -Original Message

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread TM4525
In a message dated 10/26/04 12:24:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you think that administering a Windows server is so simple then answer the following test: How do you lock down an Exchange 5.5 server to prevent a spammer from using it as a relay. So who was the

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread Micheal Patterson
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows In a message dated 10/26/04 12:24:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread TM4525
In a message dated 10/26/04 10:07:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [much snippage] Nonsense, if you ask me. For many reasons: a. Windows doesn't work nicely even for small networks most of the time. It's not the size of the network that matters. It's the nature of the

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
is what separates the men from the boys, so don't complain. If it were easy most of us would be doing something else. I don't see you supporting UNIX because it's harder to use, so it must be what 'real men' use. Probably because this sort of argument is pointless

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Oct 26, 2004, at 2:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Integration is what separates the men from the boys, so don't complain. If it were easy most of us would be doing something else. Not necessarily. Changing your oil isn't that hard. Most people pay someone else to do it though. Fixing a hole

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-26 Thread TM4525
In a message dated 10/26/04 3:38:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The fact that Cisco does something wrong doesn't somehow make it right for Windows. It's not a good excuse either. Its the way it is, and the way its always been.

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread pete wright
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:22:17 +0200, Stefan [Swebase AB] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have tried searching for this but i only get reports made by students and private programmers, i trust a programmer more than a large corporation any day but to show a person i know and convince him i need

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread TM4525
In a message dated 10/24/04 5:54:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know more than a few people, small businessmen mostly, who have been completely screwed because their almost totally incompetent unix tech guy left the company. Ted wrote... For every small

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread pete wright
There's also less documentation, fewer resources, etc. So its more difficult to be proficient in unix than in windows. what are you talking about less documentation for Unix?!? What Unix are you referring to...Solaris...HPUX..AIX...BSD? I'm sorry to bite on this flame bait but i've been

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Oct 25, 2004, at 9:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask a unix tech to install a windows application, or ask a windows tech to install a unix application. Which do you think has a better chance of success? The unix tech will have much more easier time installing the Windows app than the other

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread TM4525
In a message dated 10/25/04 11:48:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's also less documentation, fewer resources, etc. So its more difficult to be proficient in unix than in windows. what are you talking about less documentation for Unix?!? What Unix are you

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
that something breaks *badly* his best suggestion is throw away the entire thing, and start over with a bootable CD-ROM of Windows XYZ. This sort of tech-ness is considered dangerous in the UNIX world. Yes you have to understand the applications to some degree. But to me, its a different level

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread pete wright
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:25:21 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/25/04 11:48:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's also less documentation, fewer resources, etc. So its more difficult to be proficient in unix than

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Jerry McAllister
In a message dated 10/25/04 11:48:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's also less documentation, fewer resources, etc. So its more difficult to be proficient in unix than in windows. what are you talking about less documentation for Unix?!? What Unix are you

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Micheal Patterson
- Original Message - From: Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 4:54 AM Subject: RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows snip There are more people around that can administer MS

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Oct 25, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2004-10-25 11:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're also missing my point on this. You don't have to get into the guts of windows to make it work. You dont have to be a programmer to tweak all of the applications, in fact I know more than

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-10-25 12:49, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 25, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2004-10-25 11:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're also missing my point on this. You don't have to get into the guts of windows to make it work. You dont have to be a

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:07 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: And this differs from your experience in the Windows world...how? :-) I'm not sure I understand your question. Rephrase or make it more specific, because answering to such a vague question is pointless. Just a side comment from the peanut

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread TM4525
. The inability of people to stay on point is as befuddling as it is entertaining. I think we all agree that you wouldn't let a windows tech touch your unix-like box, but you'd have no problem having a unix tech install a windows application. 'nuf said

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
around here to fix problems. Reinstall it all and hope that the problem (sort of magically) goes away. The time and resources wasted to reinstall a perfectly working system is absolutely unbearable as a thought to someone who has worked a while with UNIX systems and has spent the time to learn how

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
answering to such a vague question is pointless. The inability of people to stay on point is as befuddling as it is entertaining. I think we all agree that you wouldn't let a windows tech touch your unix-like box, but you'd have no problem having a unix tech install a windows application. 'nuf said

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:33 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I was referring to problems that require a bit of esoteric knowledge about how things work but not really a reinstallation of the entire system, i.e.: I realize that...at the same time, I don't blame the techs working on Windows that end up

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Matt Staroscik
At 02:59 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote: Just a side comment from the peanut gallery... I was referring to the fact that in most cases, the solution in the end most often IS to just reformat and reinstall because there's so much cruft/crap/crud in the registry and Windows directories that that is the

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I think we all agree that you wouldn't let a windows tech touch your unix-like box, but you'd have no problem having a unix tech install a windows application. 'nuf said. Does this make you think at all

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I think we all agree that you wouldn't let a windows tech touch your unix-like box, but you'd have no problem having a unix tech install a windows application. 'nuf said. Does this make you think at all

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Jerry McAllister wrote: [ Do Not Feed The Trolls ] \||/ | | | jgs (__Y__) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Nice artwork. I think I will appropriate it just for fun. I hope it is under the

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread TM4525
. The inability of people to stay on point is as befuddling as it is entertaining. I think we all agree that you wouldn't let a windows tech touch your unix-like box, but you'd have no problem having a unix tech install a windows application. 'nuf said. Does this make you think at all? Does

RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-25 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
We use the term: Nuke and repave I'll have to remember that. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Staroscik Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-24 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows In a message dated 10/23/04 11:27:27

SCO Unix compatibility

2004-10-24 Thread Secrétariat
Hello ! Is there any compatibility between FreBSD and SCO UNIX ? Thanks Luc ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: SCO Unix compatibility

2004-10-24 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-10-23 23:41, Secr?tariat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello ! Is there any compatibility between FreBSD and SCO UNIX ? Hi, A good answer to this questios depends on what you refer to when you use the word `compatibility'. What is it exactly that you want to do with FreeBSD *and* SCO UNIX

Re: SCO Unix compatibility

2004-10-24 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 11:41:49PM +0200, Secr?tariat wrote: Hello ! Is there any compatibility between FreBSD and SCO UNIX ? Only for ibcs executables; and barely at that. You'd be better off compiling from source. -- Jonathan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED

Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-23 Thread Stefan [Swebase AB]
Hi I have tried searching for this but i only get reports made by students and private programmers, i trust a programmer more than a large corporation any day but to show a person i know and convince him i need some serious investigations made by large corporations into comparing BSD and

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-23 Thread Chuck Swiger
Stefan [Swebase AB] wrote: I have tried searching for this but i only get reports made by students and private programmers, i trust a programmer more than a large corporation any day but to show a person i know and convince him i need some serious investigations made by large corporations into

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-23 Thread Eihab E. Ibrahim
- Original Message - From: Stefan [Swebase AB] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows [...] Some friends of mine have told me that yahoo, msn and microsoft all use FreeBSD but until i can

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-23 Thread MikeM
On 10/23/2004 at 5:22 PM Stefan [Swebase AB] wrote: |The person i'm trying to convince is a hardcore MS fan so i | need real evidence of why BSD is better than MS products in | server environments. = Hardcore MS fan? Do you really think that any hardcore fan will be open to a

Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows

2004-10-23 Thread TM4525
people to administer their systems. There are more people around that can administer MS systems than unix, and it can be done with a lower level of talent. . A car enthusiast might prefer older, pre-computer cars because they're easier to tinker with. The same might be said for programmers

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-10-04 21:54, Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I developed a few rules and techniques for keeping the interest: 1. Avoid doing the same thing over and over again. 2. Do bigger projects as well as some playful experimenting. 3. Don't use closed-source (or commercial) software. I don't

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Mike Woods
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: I can almost agree with what's written above, except for one minor but important detail. If you can use an editor that suits your needs both in console and GUI environment, both for assembly, Perl, Python, Java, C, C++ and whatever else you find yourself writing, an editor

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 11:57:44AM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: All this that I described above, and even more, I can do in Emacs or vim. Using the system vi(1) on Solaris isn't a problem either, but I don't push myself to use *THAT* editor if I don't have to. I stopped using vi(1) on

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Daniela
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 08:57, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2004-10-04 21:54, Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I developed a few rules and techniques for keeping the interest: 1. Avoid doing the same thing over and over again. 2. Do bigger projects as well as some playful experimenting.

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-05 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-10-05 20:27, Daniela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But when I feel that I like watching TV more than playing with ASM, I quickly switch to the monochrome terminal emulator, deactivate the mouse, emulate the destructive hardware cursor, pull out a primitive hexeditor (or TECO) and enter raw

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-04 Thread Robert Dormer
Having looked at the list, honesty - it's not nearly as much as it looks like. Seriously. It's well within your ken to learn ALL of that. Easily. Just do this - get a few machines. Throw FreeBSD on them. Hell, throw Open or Net on one or two, RedHat or Gentoo or Debian on another. Now plug

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-04 Thread Bill Moran
Robert Dormer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having looked at the list, honesty - it's not nearly as much as it looks like. Seriously. It's well within your ken to learn ALL of that. Easily. Just do this - get a few machines. Throw FreeBSD on them. Hell, throw Open or Net on one or two, RedHat

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-04 Thread Nathan Kinkade
. The important thing is to keep pushing the limits of your knowledge in whatever you do. You will rarely regret it. Will it take many years to master Unix-like operating systems? Abosolutely. There can be no shortcut to experience. But as another poster pointed out, becoming highly procient in any

Re: When Unix Stops Being Fun

2004-10-04 Thread Daniela
On Sunday 03 October 2004 03:50, Dave Vollenweider wrote: This has nothing to do with technical problems, but rather it's more of a request for moral support. This may seem disjointed, so bear with me. I've been using FreeBSD for over six months now, but I've been using Unix-like operating

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