Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-02 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 19:16 01/02/2012, David Jackson wrote: They seem to have failed because they couldn't find the package on the download site. Other errors I got were that the package it had downloaded had an "unrecognized format". I did not save them, there is really no way to save a copy of them unless I c

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-02 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-02-01 19:16, David Jackson skrev: > > > I did not save them, there is really no way to save a copy of them unless >> I >> copy them by hand. >> > > I take it you are new to FreeBSD. May I introduce you to script > man script(1) > >

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-02 Thread Bernt Hansson
2012-02-01 19:16, David Jackson skrev: I did not save them, there is really no way to save a copy of them unless I copy them by hand. I take it you are new to FreeBSD. May I introduce you to script man script(1) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mail

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-01 Thread David Jackson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-01-30 18:52, David Jackson skrev: > > I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on >> Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: >> >> *portupgrade -PP -a >> *portmaster -PP -a >> *pkg_update >> >> All fail m

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-01 Thread David Jackson
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-01-31 01:13, > freebsd-lists-erik@**erikosterholm.orgskrev: > > Oh come on, guys. David is the same person who said that FreeBSD was >> poorly documented. >> >> http://osdir.com/ml/freebsd-**questions/2011-12/msg00684.**html

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-01 Thread David Jackson
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: > At 11:42 31/01/2012, you wrote: > >> While your offer is made with the best of intentions, I doubt the >> project would feel able take you up on it. The problem is simply one of >> security -- while crowd-sourcing package compilation would

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-02-01 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 11:42 31/01/2012, you wrote: While your offer is made with the best of intentions, I doubt the project would feel able take you up on it. The problem is simply one of security -- while crowd-sourcing package compilation would be a pretty sweet technical solution to much of the scaling and res

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-31 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 31/01/2012 09:56, Eduardo Morras wrote: > Making a resume/summary of the thread; more hardware, time and people > are needed to maintain a package system up-to-date. I have a free server > (amd64 freebsd8.2p6), if i built all packages with their standard > options, that's without make config, Ca

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-31 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 00:45 31/01/2012, RW wrote: Making it work like Ubuntu would need a lot more hardware and a lot more work from port maintainers to support branching the ports tree. At the moment there aren't really enough to maintain one tree. Making a resume/summary of the thread; more hardware, time and

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-31 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 01:52:19AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:40:50 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > Other things to keep in mind are language settings. One example is > > > OpenOffice which needs to have the langu

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Greg Groth
On 1/30/2012 6:13 PM, freebsd-lists-e...@erikosterholm.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 03:28:28PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: You talk a lot about how easy it is to maintain a binary package system. I would like you to convince me that it is easy, keeping in mind that it should remain compatibl

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:40:50 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > > I wish to use binary packages and I specifically do not want to compile > > > anything, it tends to take far too long

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread freebsd-lists-erik
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 03:28:28PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > You talk a lot about how easy it is to maintain a binary package system. > I would like you to convince me that it is easy, keeping in mind that it > should remain compatible with the ports system. I am willing to be > convinced. > >

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Roland Smith
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:49:46PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > Binary > > packages are a big time saver and are more efficient. > > More efficient? Depends. In regards of installation, they're > often faster. In regards of spped during operation... well, > depends. :-) > > The binary packages ar

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2012.01.30 18:40, David Jackson wrote: Perhaps that is because the people who want to use packages have given up on FreeBSD. WTF?!? hint: I'm standing right beside you as you're saying this. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list ht

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 30/01/2012 22:04, David Jackson wrote: > Binary packages are a big time saver and are more efficient. Yes, definitely -- this is true for many use cases. Not all by any means, but enough that binary packages are a must-have. > It should be easy for FreeBSD to make it easy to install the most

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Bas Smeelen
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:02:44 +0100 Bas Smeelen wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500 > David Jackson wrote: To put it bluntly It's the users fault from my own experience Apple: just fsck off Mcrsft and Oracle and whom they have swallowed so far: just pay enough bucks, it's still your fa

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread RW
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 David Jackson wrote: > I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on > Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: > > *portupgrade -PP -a > *portmaster -PP -a > *pkg_update > > All fail miserably and totally and have left the system in

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread David Jackson
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > I wish to use binary packages and I specifically do not want to compile > > anything, it tends to take far too long to compile programs and would > > rather install some packages and

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Bas Smeelen
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500 David Jackson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 > > David Jackson wrote: > > > > > I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages > > > on Freebsd to the latest versio

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Bas Smeelen
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500 David Jackson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 > > David Jackson wrote: > > > > > I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages > > > on Freebsd to the latest version. I

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500, David Jackson wrote: > I wish to use binary packages and I specifically do not want to compile > anything, it tends to take far too long to compile programs and would > rather install some packages and have it all work right away. That's often true, especially w

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Chad Perrin
You talk a lot about how easy it is to maintain a binary package system. I would like you to convince me that it is easy, keeping in mind that it should remain compatible with the ports system. I am willing to be convinced. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread David Jackson
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 > David Jackson wrote: > > > I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on > > Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: > > > > *portupgrade -PP -a > > *portmaster -PP -a > > *pkg_

Re: Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread Bas Smeelen
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 David Jackson wrote: > I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on > Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: > > *portupgrade -PP -a > *portmaster -PP -a > *pkg_update > > All fail miserably and totally and have left the system in

Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

2012-01-30 Thread David Jackson
I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages on Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: *portupgrade -PP -a *portmaster -PP -a *pkg_update All fail miserably and totally and have left the system in an unuseable state. Why can't FreeBSD just make the package system "just