an article online about some Linux constructs make it very difficult to
port some software to BSD.
This included systemd, also Xfce and GNOME 3.
I figure this is why GNOME 3, out for some time now, has not yet been ported to
FreeBSD ports or NetBSD pkgsrc.
Tom
I wanted to see if I could get an 8.1 system updated to 9.0 (mostly) with
freebsd-update. I did this with a source update to RELENG_8_3 and then did the
standard stuff to get to 9.0
perl and xdm both gave errors that libutil.so.9 was missing. scanning google and
questions suggested
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:36:51 -0400 (EDT), d...@safeport.com wrote:
I wanted to see if I could get an 8.1 system updated to 9.0 (mostly) with
freebsd-update. I did this with a source update to RELENG_8_3 and then did
the
standard stuff to get to 9.0
perl and xdm both gave errors
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Polytropon wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:36:51 -0400 (EDT), d...@safeport.com wrote:
I wanted to see if I could get an 8.1 system updated to 9.0 (mostly) with
freebsd-update. I did this with a source update to RELENG_8_3 and then did the
standard stuff to get to 9.0
perl
with
libutil.so.9
missing.
Seems that there are complications with leftover stuff in /usr/local.
monhegan:~ uname -a
FreeBSD monhegan.boltsys.com 9.0-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE-p3 #0:
Tue Jun 12 01:47:53 UTC 2012
r...@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
4Hi,
Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.5.11 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. The
packages for FreeBSD 10 use the pkgng [3] format.
There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world
(help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few users
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back for little benefit.
This guy seems to be a real moron. What a ridiculous statement to make.
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, there is no dependance on a hardware
platform.There is nothing about systemd that FreeBSD could not easily
support. Yes, his software does use system call facilities provided by
Linux, but since this is a dependance on software systems, FreeBSD could
easily add these facilities to its own libraries
time is something that has been strictly designed under UI
design guidelines.
The critics complain that the new ideas merely introduces de minimis
modifications and does nothing to amend the real faults in the system.
The real problem is that true innovative development in FreeBSD has
become
and for
the first time is something that has been strictly designed under UI
design guidelines.
The critics complain that the new ideas merely introduces de minimis
modifications and does nothing to amend the real faults in the system.
The real problem is that true innovative development in FreeBSD has
somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a
burden, and holds us back for little benefit.
That sort of shows my point in fact. There is nothing stopping FreeBSD from
implementing cgroups, udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, its not like
Linux is going to enforce patents
think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those systems
when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a
burden, and holds us back for little benefit.
That sort of shows my point in fact. There is nothing stopping FreeBSD from
implementing
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-July/231832.html
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On 22.08.2012 13:29, Michel Talon wrote:
David Jackson said:
In reference to the claims that systemd developers do not care about
portability, this is deceptive
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 15:41:05 David Jackson wrote:
So this is clearly not about portability, FreeBSD is free to implement
these software interfaces to assure that software is portable to FreeBSD.
Really? You make software portable by writing it to one environment and then
changing every
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:41 PM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote:
That sort of shows my point in fact. There is nothing stopping FreeBSD from
implementing cgroups, udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, its not like
Linux is going to enforce patents on these things, its software
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David == David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com writes:
David The fact is, FreeBSD can fully support systemd and all kernel and system
David features, there is nothing here that is impossible for FreeBSD to
David support.
So this statement in the WikiP is false?
systemd is Linux-only
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, James D. Parra wrote:
I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there
is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware
comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts.
If don't want
The pcbsd project which uses FreeBSD is another option.
On Aug 20, 2012 11:31 PM, d...@safeport.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, James D. Parra wrote:
I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if
there
is a list of parts to build one or to just look
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:42 PM, John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:
Good thought, I just did that. Results:
php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell
php5.4: fails in random ways
This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD
8.x.
I note that the packages for 8
to really like some
Linux distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for 3 years now
and after watching Linux change in those 3 years from this distance I'm
not sure I want to go back. Everything that originally excited me about
*nix operating systems is gone; it's a big convoluted mess now
what is going on with your install…
I am running PHP 5.4.5 on 7.4 without problem - I had problem upon install, but
they all came from php.ini not beeing up to date (AFAIR).
Thx.
R's,
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, James D. Parra wrote:
I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if
there
is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware
comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts
Daniel Feenberg writes:
But why order parts? If you want to learn FreeBSD, just take any
old windows box and install FreeBSD over the existing windows
install. It will work fine and won't cost you anything.
This was (close to) my gut reaction. If all you want it the
learning
.
I would avoid Intel's integrated graphics. As the support for it is not
as advanced as for other graphic solutions, this could give you the
wrong impression.
Huh? On FreeBSD, Intel video is the only one that supports KMS, the
latest thing in xorg. Of course the Intel video is not the fastest
just read through the hardware list?
if you use big names like Asus, nothing should go wrong.
I would avoid Intel's integrated graphics. As the support for it is
not as advanced as for other graphic solutions, this could give you
the wrong impression.
Huh? On FreeBSD, Intel video
If you have a system you want to try you can also check out
http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html.
That is a great resource for laptops, too bad it isn't mentioned in the
Handbook compatibility chapter.
Suggestion: send-pr
Cheers,
Julian
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? On FreeBSD, Intel video is the only one that supports KMS, the
will the limitations help a beginner?
The lack of console switching, you mean? For a desktop machine,
probably not seriously.
Certainly the support for new Intel video hardware would be an
advantage
thing I noticed is if/when this happens you see
modules completely fail to load in the error log, as opposed to module(s)
that do load but then segfault when called by PHP code.
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that this is snowballing quickly. I used to really
like some Linux distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for
3 years now and after watching Linux change in those 3 years from
this distance I'm not sure I want to go back. Everything that
originally excited me about *nix operating systems is gone; it's
are unfamiliar - systemd is a replacement for SysV,
LSB,
and Upstart init subsystem scripts.
Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?) they
are
aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?).
On my FreeBSD machine:
$ ls /var/db/pkg/
...
hal-0.5.14_19/
dbus
(soon OS ?).
On my FreeBSD machine:
$ ls /var/db/pkg/
...
hal-0.5.14_19/
dbus-1.4.14_i3/
consolekit-0.4.3/
polkit-0.99/
upower-0.9.7/
...
Also, once again I refer to Linux-related ports in *BSD ecosystem
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linuxstype=all
and warn against becoming
Hi,
I have FreeBSD 9.0 (p4) with custom kernel.
uname -i says it:
HOMEWIFI90
However, when I run freebsd-update fetch command it would like to
update my kernel as well:
freebsd-update fetch
Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found.
Fetching metadata signature for 9.0-RELEASE
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Denis piloy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have FreeBSD 9.0 (p4) with custom kernel.
uname -i says it:
HOMEWIFI90
However, when I run freebsd-update fetch command it would like to
update my kernel as well:
freebsd-update fetch
Looking up
freebsd-update fetch it suugest me to update kernel and
kernel.symbols.
Best regards,
Denis
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kernel after. But this doesn't help - every
time I run freebsd-update fetch it suugest me to update kernel and
kernel.symbols.
Then why not follow my suggestion of _letting_ freebsd-update
update the kernel, but _use_ a different one instead which it
won't touch? In /boot/loader.conf
Then why not follow my suggestion of _letting_ freebsd-update
update the kernel, but _use_ a different one instead which it
won't touch? In /boot/loader.conf:
kernel=mykernel
bootfile=/boot/mykernel/kernel
Now freebsd-update can happily alter the default kernel without
.
Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?) they are
aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?).
On my FreeBSD machine:
$ ls /var/db/pkg/
...
hal-0.5.14_19/
dbus-1.4.14_i3/
consolekit-0.4.3/
polkit-0.99/
upower-0.9.7/
...
Also, once again I refer to Linux-related
== Denis wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 16:41:56 +0400 ==
Then why not follow my suggestion of _letting_ freebsd-update
update the kernel, but _use_ a different one instead which it
won't touch? In /boot/loader.conf:
kernel=mykernel
bootfile=/boot/mykernel/kernel
Now
distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for 3 years now and after
watching Linux change in those 3 years from this distance I'm not sure I
want to go back. Everything that originally excited me about *nix
operating systems is gone; it's a big convoluted mess now. This isn't a
good sign
If you're building your own customised kernel, why don't you just build the
entire system from source? I've not used freebsd-update yet and probably
won't. Is it just a matter of time, i.e. waiting for the compilation to
finish?
Actually I built this system from source. And now use freebsd
is a replacement for
SysV, LSB, and Upstart init subsystem scripts.
Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?)
they are aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?).
On my FreeBSD machine:
$ ls /var/db/pkg/
...
hal-0.5.14_19/
dbus-1.4.14_i3/
consolekit-0.4.3
I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and PHP 5.4.5.
In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of random
errors,
they hang, errors claiming that builtins like require_once() are not found, and
other stuff. I don't see any pattern. I also can't
, performed under
the noble flag of progress to neutralize and fight opposition.
jb
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some Linux
distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for 3 years now and after
watching Linux change in those 3 years from this distance I'm not sure I
want to go back. Everything that originally excited me about *nix
operating systems is gone; it's a big convoluted mess now. This isn't
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:46 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote:
I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and PHP
5.4.5.
In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of random
errors,
they hang, errors claiming that builtins like require_once
I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and
all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help.
Did you also rebuilt lang/php5-extensions for the modules you need?
Uh, yes, I said that I did.
Regards,
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).
This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under
the noble flag of progress to neutralize and fight opposition.
jb
I have to say I completely agree.
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going to lay siege to their domains and
prepare for a full frontal assault?
Seriously though, I have spent years attempting to get things to work
in FreeBSD with either utter or partial failure. Wireless N NICs were
totally orphaned by FreeBSD for years. Now, reluctantly I would assume,
there is some
that statement sounds? What are you
planning on doing? Are you going to lay siege to their domains and
prepare for a full frontal assault?
Seriously though, I have spent years attempting to get things to work
in FreeBSD with either utter or partial failure. Wireless N NICs were
totally orphaned
Then perhaps you should downgrade to lang/php53 and lang/php53-extensions
and compare the results!
Good thought, I just did that. Results:
php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell
php5.4: fails in random ways
This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x.
I note
On 20 Aug 2012 16:46:13 -
John Levine articulated:
I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and
PHP 5.4.5.
In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of
random errors, they hang, errors claiming that builtins like
require_once() are not found
This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x.
I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution server,
so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more
Packages??
It's better for you to use the ports tree!
Anyway, good that you are back up
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:57:14 -0500, je...@seibercom.net wrote:
Support for FLASH basically sucks.
Please stop trolling. I've been using flash with zero issues for 3 years.
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Good thought, I just did that. Results:
php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell
php5.4: fails in random ways
This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x.
I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution server,
so I expect they're
is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x.
I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution
server, so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more
[snip]
I had pretty much the same experience. I run apache22 with the event mpm in
conjunction with php-fm, utilizing mod_fastcgi to connect
Are you running pecl-APC? If so, what version? There's a major issue with the
latest.
Hmmn, that might have been it.
I backed down to 5.3, but when I have a chance I'll try 5.4 again without
APC.
R's,
John
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On 6:56:26PM, Locksmith ty...@tristatesafeandlock.com wrote:
I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there
is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware
comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts.
The handbook is always a good
5.4.5 that builds OK on 9.0 but not on 8.x.
R's,
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through the hardware list?
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I observe the following error while installing from ports collection
for any ports in an old FreeBSD server
/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.options.mk, line 90: Malformed conditional
(!defined(OPTIONS_DEFINE) || empty(OPTIONS_DEFINE:Monly)))
I tried the following
1) cvsup and make index throws
On 17/08/2012 07:13, KK CHN wrote:
I observe the following error while installing from ports collection
for any ports in an old FreeBSD server
/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.options.mk, line 90: Malformed conditional
(!defined(OPTIONS_DEFINE) || empty(OPTIONS_DEFINE:Monly)))
Yes. That's the result
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 01:48:18 +0200, Polytropon wrote:
snip problem and comprehensive answer
That's really helpful. Very many thanks, Polytropon.
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I have read the handbook assiduously and am attempting to follow it. This
is 9.0-RELEASE-p3, by the way.
Every time I run freebsd-update fetch it says it wants to update the
following 5 source files as part of updating
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:59 PM, James D. Parra jam...@musicreports.com
wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to install Samba35 on FreeBSD 9.0 but I keep getting a build error.
The text you gave us gives me the thought you are flailing in the dark. First
off, use a port management tool eg
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:24:37 + (UTC), Walter Hurry wrote:
Every time I run freebsd-update fetch it says it wants to update the
following 5 source files as part of updating to 9.0-RELEASE-p4:
/usr/src/sys/amd64/amd64/trap.c
/usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh
/usr/src/sys/netinet/tcp_input.c
Hello,
I am trying to install Samba35 on FreeBSD 9.0 but I keep getting a build error.
portsnap extract portsnap fetch update
cd /usr/ports/devel/libtool make deinstall make install clean
cd /usr/ports/security/krb5 make deinstall
make KRB5_HOME=/usr/local install clean
and finally;
cd /usr
On 08/16/2012 04:59, James D. Parra wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to install Samba35 on FreeBSD 9.0 but I keep getting a build error.
portsnap extract portsnap fetch update
cd /usr/ports/devel/libtool make deinstall make install clean
cd /usr/ports/security/krb5 make deinstall
make KRB5_HOME
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:59 PM, James D. Parra jam...@musicreports.comwrote:
Hello,
I am trying to install Samba35 on FreeBSD 9.0 but I keep getting a build
error.
The text you gave us gives me the thought you are flailing in the dark.
First off, use a port management tool eg portmaster
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:50:43 -0600, Brett Glass wrote:
Everyone:
Just ran freebsd-update (fetch, then install) on a system on which
I run a customized kernel, and discovered that it has overwritten
my custom kernel... even though I'd copied the original to
/boot/GENERIC when I first
At 05:24 AM 8/13/2012, Polytropon wrote:
That seems to be the default behaviour, as freebsd-update is
not supposed to be used with a custom kernel. It works with
GENERIC kernels (because it updates them by overwriting).
Actually, freebsd-update is claimed to respect custom kernels. See
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Brett Glass br...@lariat.net wrote:
Actually, freebsd-update is claimed to respect custom kernels. ...
And it does, in my experience. If the hash of the kernel doesn't
match that of the distribution (or recent update), freebsd-update
leaves it alone
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:35:12 -0600, Brett Glass wrote:
At 05:24 AM 8/13/2012, Polytropon wrote:
That seems to be the default behaviour, as freebsd-update is
not supposed to be used with a custom kernel. It works with
GENERIC kernels (because it updates them by overwriting).
Actually
At 11:33 AM 8/13/2012, Michael Sierchio wrote:
And it does, in my experience. If the hash of the kernel doesn't
match that of the distribution (or recent update), freebsd-update
leaves it alone.
That is what I thought it would do, based on the docs. However,
when I recently ran freebsd
kernel, for use in
emergencies and during version upgrades.
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At 11:33 AM 8/13/2012, Michael Sierchio wrote:
And it does, in my experience. If the hash of the kernel doesn't
match that of the distribution (or recent update), freebsd-update
leaves it alone.
That is what I thought
Everyone:
Just ran freebsd-update (fetch, then install) on a system on which
I run a customized kernel, and discovered that it has overwritten
my custom kernel... even though I'd copied the original to
/boot/GENERIC when I first installed the system. I was under the
impression that creating
Hi,
Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.5.10 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. The
packages for FreeBSD 10 use the pkgng [3] format.
There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world
(help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few users
.
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limited monopoly is too long, given how quickly technology advances,
but that doesn't mean the concept isn't sound.
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to something for
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