Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-28 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 06:48:07AM -0500, David Noel wrote: > > [snip a bunch of stuff] Great. I'll start looking at stuff this week, then probably ping you off-list to ask questions. Now I just need to add a note about this to my todo-queue so I don't make a liar of myself. -- Chad Perrin [ o

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-28 Thread David Noel
On 4/25/14, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:36:28AM -0500, David Noel wrote: >> Thanks. I'm happy to, and it's on my to-do list, the only problem is >> that I'm swamped with other projects and it's been sitting on that >> list for the past 2 years. It seems to be a similar problem

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-25 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:36:28AM -0500, David Noel wrote: > > Indeed it is not. David's solution - which seems to amount to removing > > portsnap and herding the cats at home to DTRT about using svn securely - > > relies on other cats being as smart and aware of the ramifications as he > > is -

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-13 Thread David Noel
> Indeed it is not. David's solution - which seems to amount to removing > portsnap and herding the cats at home to DTRT about using svn securely - > relies on other cats being as smart and aware of the ramifications as he > is - a highly questionable proposition especially for the numerous more >

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-13 Thread Xin Li
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 4/13/14, 10:04 PM, David Noel wrote: > On 4/13/14, David Noel wrote: >>> So by your definition, every single Apache server on the planet >>> runs "a closed source fork of the open source Apache project" >>> because they do not use the exact same

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-13 Thread Ian Smith
On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 10:33:53 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > David Noel writes: > > > My main point was that if you don't trust Subversion it makes no sense > > to say you trust portsnap. Portsnap pulls the ports tree from > > Subversion. Using Subversion! The portsnap system relies on the tr

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-13 Thread David Noel
On 4/13/14, David Noel wrote: >> So by your definition, every single Apache server on the planet runs "a >> closed source fork of the open source Apache project" because they do >> not use the exact same httpd.conf? > > Ah, you're right. That's from build.conf. My mistake. Though if it's using sp

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-13 Thread David Noel
> So by your definition, every single Apache server on the planet runs "a > closed source fork of the open source Apache project" because they do > not use the exact same httpd.conf? Ah, you're right. That's from build.conf. My mistake. ___ freebsd-secur

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-13 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
David Noel writes: > The server-side code of the FreeBSD portsnap system -- a closed source > fork of the open source portsnap project -- happens to use secured > access for pulling data from svn. So by your definition, every single Apache server on the planet runs "a closed source fork of the op

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-13 Thread David Noel
> Portsnap uses secured access for getting updates out of Subversion The portsnap open source project pulls data insecurely using the url svn://svn.freebsd.org. The server-side code of the FreeBSD portsnap system -- a closed source fork of the open source portsnap project -- happens to use secure

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-13 Thread Lowell Gilbert
David Noel writes: > My main point was that if you don't trust Subversion it makes no sense > to say you trust portsnap. Portsnap pulls the ports tree from > Subversion. Using Subversion! The portsnap system relies on the trust > of both svnadmin and svn. Just as it does when you run svn co and s

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-11 Thread Bryan Drewery
On 2014-04-11 15:23, David Noel wrote: If you look at the portsnap build code you'll see that the first thing portsnap does is pull the ports tree from Subversion. It uses the URL svn://svn.freebsd.org/ports. By not using ssl or svn+ssh the entire ports archive is exposed to corruption right from

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-11 Thread David Noel
>> If you look at the portsnap build code you'll see that the first >> thing portsnap does is pull the ports tree from Subversion. It uses >> the URL svn://svn.freebsd.org/ports. By not using ssl or svn+ssh >> the entire ports archive is exposed to corruption right from the >> start. > > Just to cl

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-11 Thread Xin Li
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/11/14 09:08, David Noel wrote: >> Your report aside, I find portsnap to be far superior in security >> for ports and users. > > If you look at the portsnap build code you'll see that the first > thing portsnap does is pull the ports tree from

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-11 Thread David Noel
> Your report aside, I find portsnap to be far superior in security for > ports and users. If you look at the portsnap build code you'll see that the first thing portsnap does is pull the ports tree from Subversion. It uses the URL svn://svn.freebsd.org/ports. By not using ssl or svn+ssh the entir

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-11 Thread Brooks Davis
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 06:38:39PM -0500, Bryan Drewery wrote: > On 4/10/2014 12:03 PM, David Noel wrote: > > I found a few bugs in portsnap and freebsd-update that I'd like to > > bring to the community's attention and hopefully recruit people to > > help fix. I mentioned them to Colin (their auth

Re: Retiring portsnap [was MITM attacks against portsnap and freebsd-update]

2014-04-10 Thread Bryan Drewery
On 4/10/2014 12:03 PM, David Noel wrote: > I found a few bugs in portsnap and freebsd-update that I'd like to > bring to the community's attention and hopefully recruit people to > help fix. I mentioned them to Colin (their author) a few years ago and > he agreed that they're issues that need to be