Re: RELENG_6 devfs problem

2006-01-12 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:06:32PM +, Robert Watson wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > >I just installed the latest mgetty and ran it, then found it wasn't > >talking to my modem so I disabled it in /etc/ttys and killed the process. > > > >I ran fstat /dev/cuad0 to che

Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Daniel O'Connor wrote: I believe FreeBSD turns PCI cards off if there is no driver attached. I don't think XP actually turns those devices off if you are actually using them. Not sure about the specifics for stuff like USB (ie what happens if it's sleeping and you connect a USB peripheral)

Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:53, Ivan Voras wrote: > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1403/-1 1315/-1 1227/-1 1139/-1 1052/-1 964/-1 > 876/-1 789/-1 701/-1 613/-1 526/-1 438/-1 350/-1 263/-1 175/-1 87/-1 I have a Pentium-M which shows -1 like that.. I think it's just that ACPI is not supplying power consumption d

Re: Two PPP connections to the same ISP with same remote gateway

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:07, Tom Jobbins wrote: > This can be demonstrated from the command line with the following: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ ifconfig tun0 1.2.3.5 1.2.3.250 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$ ifconfig tun1 1.2.4.4 1.2.3.250 > ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists This is really odd, becaus

Re: recent rc changes

2006-01-12 Thread Brooks Davis
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:16:38PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Brooks Davis wrote: > > >You definitely have to change things somehow in the jail case because > >local scripts won't run until after early_late_divider shows up on the > >list and in the jail case, the default nev

Re: 6.0 on Dell 1850 with PERC4e/DC RAID?

2006-01-12 Thread Jung-uk Kim
On Thursday 12 January 2006 07:41 pm, Doug Ambrisko wrote: > Scott Mitchell writes: > | > I did find a program > | > posted to one of the freebsd lists called 'amrstat' that I run > | > nightly. It produces this kind of output: > | > > | > Drive 0:68.24 GB, RAID1 > | > optimal > | > > | > If

Re: recent rc changes

2006-01-12 Thread Doug Barton
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Brooks Davis wrote: You definitely have to change things somehow in the jail case because local scripts won't run until after early_late_divider shows up on the list and in the jail case, the default never shows up. Sorry for my ignorance here, but does 'sysctl -n security

Re: 6.0 on Dell 1850 with PERC4e/DC RAID?

2006-01-12 Thread Doug Ambrisko
Scott Mitchell writes: | On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:35:46AM -0500, Vivek Khera wrote: | > | > On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Scott Mitchell wrote: | > | > >I may be getting a new Dell PE1850 soon, to replace our ancient CVS | > >server | > >(still running 4-STABLE). The new machine will ideally r

Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Bruno Ducrot
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:27:37AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:24, Bruno Ducrot wrote: > > > Nearly all of the energy going into the CPU is disipated as heat. > > > > Of course. But the goal of powerd is to reduce power comsuption with > > nearly no visible impact on per

Re: mountd fails intermittently

2006-01-12 Thread Doug Barton
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Michael Sperber wrote: Michael Sperber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm running 5.4-STABLE (about two weeks old), and have just set up an NFS server for the first time. Remote mounts sometimes work fine, and sometimes fail. The symptoms are that "showmount -e" sez showm

Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:24, Bruno Ducrot wrote: > > Nearly all of the energy going into the CPU is disipated as heat. > > Of course. But the goal of powerd is to reduce power comsuption with > nearly no visible impact on performance. This imply that if the > runpercent is nearly 100%, then the pro

Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Bruno Ducrot
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:10:51AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:10, Bruno Ducrot wrote: > > > Thats the correct one, it is 75mhz. I was suspecting hardwares > > > limitations in terms of modulating the frequency quickly enough. Just > > > wanted to make sure. > > > > What

Re: Postfix and faststart

2006-01-12 Thread Doug Barton
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Vivek Khera wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 3:00 AM, Doug Barton wrote: This idea has been discussed in the past, and it has a lot of merit. I tend to have a fundamental opposition to adding new pseudo-targets unless they are ABSOLUTELY necessary, since they add complexity to t

Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:10, Bruno Ducrot wrote: > > Thats the correct one, it is 75mhz. I was suspecting hardwares > > limitations in terms of modulating the frequency quickly enough. Just > > wanted to make sure. > > What you have noticed is acpi_throttle(4). The combinaison of > some VIA chipset

Re: Recurring problem: processes block accessing UFS file system

2006-01-12 Thread Don Lewis
On 12 Jan, Don Lewis wrote: > On 11 Jan, Denis Shaposhnikov wrote: >> Hi! >> >>> "Don" == Don Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Don> Are you using any unusual file systems, such as nullfs or >> Don> unionfs? >> >> >> Yes, I'm use a lots of nullfs. This is a host system for about 20

Re: Recurring problem: processes block accessing UFS file system

2006-01-12 Thread Don Lewis
On 11 Jan, Denis Shaposhnikov wrote: > Hi! > >> "Don" == Don Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Don> Are you using any unusual file systems, such as nullfs or > Don> unionfs? > > >> Yes, I'm use a lots of nullfs. This is a host system for about 20 > >> jails with nullfs mounted ro sys

Two PPP connections to the same ISP with same remote gateway

2006-01-12 Thread Tom Jobbins
Hi, I have a FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE server running as my internet gateway. It was newly installed to 6.0-RELEASE yesterday, and built to -STABLE from a cvsup early this morning. I have two separate accounts at the same broadband ISP, with two separate PPPoE modems on two separate phone lines. I ne

Re: SUMMARY: Fast releases demand binary updates..

2006-01-12 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Thu, 2006-Jan-12 00:08:56 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: >I'm going to kill this topic. Results of my trolling to see if we could >get any committer interest in this topic are: Deliberate antagonism of most (if not all) FreeBSD developers is unlikely to assist in getting your ideas listened to. You a

Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Mike Jakubik
Victor Balada Diaz wrote: I know that this is not what you're asking for, but anyway: You should try sysutils/fvcool, it will reduce de heat a lot and the performance will not suffer. --- ===> WARNING This software can have a negative impact on system stability. In particular while do

Re: libnetgraph compilation problem

2006-01-12 Thread Frédéric PRACA
Selon Ruslan Ermilov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:52:30AM +0100, Fr?d?ric PRACA wrote: > > Selon Ruslan Ermilov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Do you have ccache stuff in /etc/make.conf? > > Yes, but I already tried with NOCCACHE and the problem is still there. > > > The examp

nforce2, onboard sound, digital out?

2006-01-12 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
My brother has an Asus A7N8X Deluxe (nforce2) with onboard sound. I installed 6-stable on the system, but I cannot figure out how to activate the digital output. Has anyone ever managed to do this? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [6.0-RELEASE] Trouble with Intel-SATA-RAID Controller

2006-01-12 Thread Mikael Krantz
Either you use hardware raid or you skip that and run software. My self would never go over to software based raid if its not just for mirroring rootdisks or data that isnt that importent. Regards Mikael Krantz Qbrick AB Matthew D. Fuller wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 02:44:59PM +0100 I

Re: [6.0-RELEASE] Trouble with Intel-SATA-RAID Controller

2006-01-12 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 02:44:59PM +0100 I heard the voice of Raphael H. Becker, and lo! it spake thus: Note that this: > 3ware: > * 3ware Raid Controller Escalade 8006-2LP, 2 Channels, about 130-150 EUR is a "real" hardware RAID controller, while I'm pretty sure that this: > highpoint: >

Re: [6.0-RELEASE] Trouble with Intel-SATA-RAID Controller

2006-01-12 Thread Mikael Krantz
Raphael H. Becker wrote: >Hi Mike, *, > >thank you for the answer. > >On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:15:46PM -0500, Mike Jakubik wrote: > > >>Raphael H. Becker wrote: >> >> >>>So I guess will need another SATA-RAID-Controller (PCI). >>>Which SATA-RAID-controller works "rock solid" with 6.0-REL

Re: [6.0-RELEASE] Trouble with Intel-SATA-RAID Controller

2006-01-12 Thread Raphael H. Becker
Hi Mike, *, thank you for the answer. On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:15:46PM -0500, Mike Jakubik wrote: > Raphael H. Becker wrote: > > So I guess will need another SATA-RAID-Controller (PCI). > > Which SATA-RAID-controller works "rock solid" with 6.0-RELEASE? > > > > 3ware, areca, and highpoin

Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Bruno Ducrot
Hi Make, On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 01:11:52AM -0500, Mike Jakubik wrote: > Daniel O'Connor wrote: > >Wow, that's weird, wish my AMD would do speeds like that :) > > > >As for your temperature observation - I have no idea sorry. It would > >appear that powerd is doing the right thing but for some re

Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Mike Jakubik wrote: It seems that powerd does very little in terms of reducing heat, and sacrifices performance while doing so. Am i wrong to assume that CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (1210.79-MHz 686-class CPU) It is very unlikely this processor supports any kind of frequency modification

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2006-01-12 Thread litgle
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Re: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Matthew Seaman
Mike Jakubik wrote: Daniel O'Connor wrote: Wow, that's weird, wish my AMD would do speeds like that :) As for your temperature observation - I have no idea sorry. It would appear that powerd is doing the right thing but for some reason your CPU is not benefiting. That said checking by measur

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates..

2006-01-12 Thread Ceri Davies
I don't want to get embroiled in this conversation, but I am concerned about the use of GNATS illustrated here. On 12 Jan 2006, at 07:34, Jo Rhett wrote: On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 01:05:13PM +0100, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: ports/76013 - patch committed after four months ports/76019 - supe

Re: gvinum/vinum on 6.0

2006-01-12 Thread Brian Szymanski
>> Hmm, I upgraded to 6-STABLE and I'm still having the problem. > > Are you really using the very latest 6-STABLE? Oops - serious egg on my face - my build must have failed and I rebooted without checking the return value (sheepish grin)... I rebuilt and things seem to work now - thanks & sorry f

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006 )

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:15, Jo Rhett wrote: > Before we plan the invasion of Iraq, how about an agreement on what we're > trying to accomplish? Like I said, this topic has always been killed > because "non-newbies can run make buildworld". So if it's going to get > shot down quickly then why bothe

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006 )

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:07, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:20:11PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > I imagine there are a few committers interested, but I'd say you need to > > ask the right way first.. > > As in...? I don't know any personally, but then again I only know about 3 com

Re: GDM problem

2006-01-12 Thread Doug Barton
Justin Smith wrote: After upgrading to STABLE a few days ago, several odd problems developed: 1. cups did not start automatically. It turned out the CUPS script was being given the parameter 'faststart' rather than 'start' You have an old version of the cups.sh script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d.

Re: SUMMARY: Fast releases demand binary updates..

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:38, Jo Rhett wrote: > 20-something people telling me that my shorthand for -core proves that I'm > an idiot. It wasn't the topic, and it doesn't change the real question one > bit, but it's a great chance for everyone to call me an idiot. Am I in this category? I wonder..

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates..

2006-01-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:04, Jo Rhett wrote: > > ports/76724 - patch committed after a week > > docs/87445 - immediately adopted by a committer, being worked on > > I received no e-mail notification of either. My posts about said bugs to > the appropriate mailing lists garnered no responses other th

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2006-01-12 Thread Marian Hettwer
Hej there, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:27:18PM +0100, Marian Hettwer wrote: > >>I'm actually wondering how yahoo for instance handles this situation. To >>my knowledge, they have several thousand of FreeBSD based servers. >>Either they are all the same in regards to configuration

Re: GDM problem

2006-01-12 Thread Igor Robul
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:29:27AM -0500, Justin Smith wrote: > 2. GDM started but in an odd mode that didn't detect any keyboard input > (so I couldn't log in). The mouse continued to work. Any characters? Or you can enter numbers? ___ freebsd-stable@fr

Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006)

2006-01-12 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Wed, 2006-Jan-11 23:22:53 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: >I am deliberately trolling: not to cause grief, but to see if there are any >bites on the topic. So far it's just people insulting my intelligence and >cut&pasting web pages to me. Going out of your way to antagonize FreeBSD developers is not t

RE: powerd effectiveness

2006-01-12 Thread Darren Pilgrim
I guess I should chime in here: 1.6GHz Pentium M notebook. Everything enabled: ACPI, USB, wireless, bluetooth. powerd_flags="-i 100 -r 25" The backlight is on continuously in FreeBSD. Lag is hard to notice, since it takes <100 ms to make the 100->1600 MHz step, but I can see brief lag if the m

SUMMARY: Fast releases demand binary updates..

2006-01-12 Thread Jo Rhett
FreeBSD-current: please accept this posting to close off the thread that your list saw half of. I'm going to kill this topic. Results of my trolling to see if we could get any committer interest in this topic are: 17 enterprises e-mailing me privately to agree that it sucks, but that they doubt