Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread David Magda
On Jun 2, 2012, at 00:51, Daniel Kalchev wrote: On 02.06.2012, at 07:19, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote: Glustre sits above the storage system, replicating data between systems. So, disks -- ZFS (via Zvols) -- Glustre. How is this different than ZFS using remote zvols via

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Freitag, den 01.06.2012, 13:56 -0400 schrieb Michael R. Wayne: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:03:26AM -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please list those areas with most important first to least important last ? As

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote: Hi, On 30 May 2012 PM 7:20:31 David Chisnall wrote: This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Hugo Lombard
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:12:14PM -0700, Dave Hayes wrote: 1) I don't use FreeBSD for virtualization as the host OS. I really want to, becaus I want to be able to somewhat trust the kernel hosting my virtual machines. FreeBSD technology, support, and documentation for this idea appears

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread O. Hartmann
On 06/01/12 21:46, Lars Engels wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 08:32:08PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: On 1 June 2012 16:20, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote: Dear All , There is a thread Why Are You Using FreeBSD ? I think another thread with the specified subject 'Why Are You NOT Using

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote: But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic library will

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On 02.06.12 09:23, David Magda wrote: On Jun 2, 2012, at 00:51, Daniel Kalchev wrote: On 02.06.2012, at 07:19, Freddie Cashfjwc...@gmail.com wrote: Glustre sits above the storage system, replicating data between systems. So, disks -- ZFS (via Zvols) -- Glustre. How is this different

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Jun 2012, at 03:56, Erich Dollansky wrote: But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic library will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I expressed this already many

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On 02.06.12 12:27, O. Hartmann wrote: 1a) On scietific production systems, FreeBSD has been banned due to the lack of HPC compilers and appropriate mathematical libraries. The lack of professional/academic support, like that from NAG in the late 1990s, has been droped for FreeBSD as well as

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 AM 11:39:16 David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Jun 2012, at 03:56, Erich Dollansky wrote: But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic library will result in a complete

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Glen Barber
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 09:19:15PM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote: Pardon my ignorance to not knowing what gluster is, but is this conceptually similar to HAST? Similar in concept, but different layers in the storage stack. HAST sits between the physical disks and the filesystem, replicating

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade like what is happening at the moment with PNG dependent ports. You have this already. Just install

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On 02.06.12 10:21, Marc Santhoff wrote: Am Freitag, den 01.06.2012, 13:56 -0400 schrieb Michael R. Wayne: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:03:26AM -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please list those areas with most important

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade like what is happening at the moment with

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On 02.06.12 12:42, Erich Dollansky wrote: On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollanskyer...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote: But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the releases. This leads to situations in which a

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:19, Erich wrote: Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade like

Re: [stable 9]Dell R620 Ethernet Ordering

2012-06-02 Thread John Baldwin
On Sunday, May 27, 2012 06:43:43 PM Sean Bruno wrote: I'm trying to understand the newbus and acpi interactions on this Dell R620 that result in the Broadcom adapter board being probed backwards or just plain out of order in comparison to the connector layout and the linux tg3 driver. We

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 12:50:16 David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:19, Erich wrote: Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes just to have a

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 2:53:48 Daniel Kalchev wrote: You don't have to use the (arguable old) 'release' ports tree. Ports get fixed/adapted for the new version usually months after release. I think we are talking here about two totally different problems. Your hint with sysinstall would

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution. Or do I see this really too simple? The ports tree is a moving target during release periods still, although there

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Alexander Yerenkow
I'll try to be short. I'm using FreeBSD both at servers and as a desktop, but I see struggling of my friends with it in some things. 1. Ports mess. You can very easily render system unusable, or broken if you trying to use latest ports. And then you had to became a port master to fix all. Of

[releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc

2012-06-02 Thread FreeBSD Tinderbox
TB --- 2012-06-02 10:02:07 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-02 10:02:07 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtan...@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-02

[releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc

2012-06-02 Thread FreeBSD Tinderbox
TB --- 2012-06-02 10:34:13 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-02 10:34:13 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtan...@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-02

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread O. Hartmann
On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote: On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution. Or do I see this really too simple? The ports tree is a moving target

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Mel Flynn
On 1-6-2012 20:57, Thomas David Rivers wrote: We used to have FreeBSD exclusively on desktops... Now, we have migrated to other desktops (mac) with FreeBSD running the build and file server... Why? Because - the mac updates itself! No pain, no installation, no keeping-up with mailing

Re: problem with nmap

2012-06-02 Thread Andrey S. Rybak
Have you also recompiled nmap after you installed libpcap. Sorrry this should be a neccesary step. Thanks! After recompiling nmap is starting succesfully! Thank you for your help! ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list

Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?

2012-06-02 Thread Jason Hellenthal
Because... at some point it may return to normal without all the bikeshedding and, I run because, I don't run because. The previous threads before this message should have been on a web form or questions@ as they are completely out of control. -- - (2^(N-1))

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Pedro Giffuni
--- Sab 2/6/12, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de ha scritto: Since I'm with FreeBSD, StarOffice, OpenOffice and even now LibreOffice is a MESS! ... Can you be more specific about what is wrong with Apache OpenOffice? best regards, Pedro.

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 2, 2012 3:19 PM, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote: On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back

Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ?

2012-06-02 Thread A.J. Fonz van Werven
[Reply-To: advocacy@] Jason Hellenthal wrote: The previous threads before this message should have been on a web form or questions@ as they are completely out of control. Assuming you are referring to the recent Why I (don't) use FreeBSD threads: Thank you, I agree. I read the first couple

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Paul Mather
On Jun 2, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Chris Rees wrote: On Jun 2, 2012 3:19 PM, O. Hartmann ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote: On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the release period.

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Chris Nehren
On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 14:11:06 -0400 , Paul Mather wrote: I'm not sure what the solution is for the end user. I know I get somewhat leery of updating my ports if I see a large number of changes coming via portsnap (like the 4000+ that accompanied the recent libpng upgrade) and there is

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Kurt Jaeger
Hi! The point he made was actually not a matter of people not reading UPDATING but that UPDATING is oftentimes not updated until after the disruptive/potentially dangerous change has already hit the ports tree. I'm not sure what the solution is for the end user. We have our reference

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Kurt Jaeger
Hi! For example if one wants an e-mail server, that is better served in the long run by IMAP+MTA than any form of Exchange, because you are not tied to one single platform and that vendor's lunacy. In the field, many customers are drawn into the world of Exchange and related technologies

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Chris Rees
On 2 June 2012 10:42, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote: Hi, On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote: But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the

[releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc

2012-06-02 Thread FreeBSD Tinderbox
TB --- 2012-06-02 19:20:18 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-02 19:20:18 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtan...@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-02

[releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc

2012-06-02 Thread FreeBSD Tinderbox
TB --- 2012-06-02 19:55:20 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-02 19:55:20 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtan...@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-02

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Fritz Wuehler
You wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:20:39PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: Maybe FreeBSD should consider migrating to pkgsrc? I'm not arguing that your other points are invalid (in particular, I agree that the xorg change was really painful, and for a long time amd64 lagged i386 badly), but

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 3:47:27 Daniel Kalchev wrote: On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution. Or do I see this really too simple? The ports tree is

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Mark Linimon
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 01:43:43AM +0200, Fritz Wuehler wrote: So there could be lots of overlap and just looking at the two numbers you posted doesn't really tell the whole story. No, I agree that it doesn't. I was just trying to add an aside, and point out that the task would not be trivial.

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 4:07:23 Alexander Yerenkow wrote: I'll try to be short. I'm using FreeBSD both at servers and as a desktop, but I see struggling of my friends with it in some things. 1. Ports mess. You can very easily render system unusable, or broken if you trying to use latest

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 4:18:45 O. Hartmann wrote: On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote: On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution. Or do I see this

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 2:56:01 Chris Nehren wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 14:11:06 -0400 , Paul Mather wrote: I'm not sure what the solution is for the end user. I know I get somewhat leery of updating my ports if I see a large number of changes coming via portsnap (like the 4000+ that

Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 9:50:22 Kurt Jaeger wrote: Hi! The point he made was actually not a matter of people not reading UPDATING but that UPDATING is oftentimes not updated until after the disruptive/potentially dangerous change has already hit the ports tree. I'm not sure what

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 10:52:48 Chris Rees wrote: On 2 June 2012 10:42, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote: On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com wrote: But I have to mention one