Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-03 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Thu, 2006-Nov-02 11:12:43 -0800, David Marshall wrote: has 6.1/i386. The i386 has a better ubench score. This is not necessarily relevant to real-world performance. Both architectures have their strengths and weaknesses and you really need to make a decision based on how your own application

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-03 Thread Dylan Leigh
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 07:33:31PM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: On Thu, 2006-Nov-02 11:12:43 -0800, David Marshall wrote: More importantly for us, it's impossible to build a 32-bit perl on the amd64, and we don't need a 64-bit perl. Our apache/mod_perl servers are 3X bigger on the amd64, and

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-02 Thread Oliver Fromme
Greg Black wrote: Mark Linimon wrote: Greg Black wrote: I found that a very large number of ports that mattered to me were marked i386 only. In some cases these designations are obsolete. They will require people- power to work through them and see if they are overused.

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-02 Thread Oliver Fromme
Peter Jeremy wrote: Mark Linimon wrote: - certain ports have i386 binaries (can't be fixed) - certain ports have i386 asm code (can be fixed if there is fallback C code) A partial solution to this is to get the i386 emulation and cross- building into better shape. If I really

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-02 Thread David Marshall
On 10/31/06, Robert Blayzor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to upgrade/move an already installed i386 installed 6.1 machine to amd64 without completely reinstalling? Is there a procedure to do so? I spent all of last weekend trying to do this, with no solution determined. I read a

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-02 Thread Patrick M. Hausen
Hi! drwxr-xr-x ... lib32 drwxr-xr-x ... lib64 lrwxr-xr-x ... lib - lib${ARCH_BITS} ARCH_BITS would be set to 64 globally, and it would be set to 32 for i386 applications. Then every program would find the correct libs automagically. PS: For those who are not familiar with

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-01 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Wed, 2006-Nov-01 06:14:03 +1000, Greg Black wrote: The state of the software out there is disgracefully far from being ready for 64-bit platforms -- after wasting weeks in a vain attempt to get a workable development environment on my amd64 setup, I've just completed a move to i386 (by a fresh

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-01 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Tue, 2006-Oct-31 14:44:46 -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: - certain ports have i386 binaries (can't be fixed) - certain ports have i386 asm code (can be fixed if there is fallback C code) A partial solution to this is to get the i386 emulation and cross- building into better shape. If I

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-01 Thread Pete French
This doesn't tally with my experiences. I've had an amd64 laptop Me neither - but then I think this is a large case of 'your mileage may vary', as it entirely depends on what you are doing. I did find, like the original poster, that a number of language ports didn't work properly when I first

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-01 Thread Chuck Swiger
Greg Black wrote: [ ... ] Dunno about PAE on i386 (and don't much care). As it happens, my amd64 box is hardly higher end, but it has slots for 4GB and its doco claims that it can run with 4GB. However, to my great displeasure, I discovered after setting it up that both its BIOS and any OS I

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-11-01 Thread Doug Ambrisko
Peter Jeremy writes: | It would be nice to see the 32-bit emulation improved so that it is | possible to build/run the i386 versions of ports on an amd64 system. | This would be the best of both worlds. If I had any free time, I | would even work on this myself. I have this working well enough

6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Robert Blayzor
Is there a way to upgrade/move an already installed i386 installed 6.1 machine to amd64 without completely reinstalling? Is there a procedure to do so? -- Robert Blayzor, BOFH INOC, LLC rblayzor\@(inoc.net|gmail.com) PGP: 0x66F90BFC @ http://pgp.mit.edu Key fingerprint = 6296 F715 038B 44C1

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Bruce Burden
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 08:41:44AM -0500, Robert Blayzor wrote: Is there a way to upgrade/move an already installed i386 installed 6.1 machine to amd64 without completely reinstalling? Is there a procedure to do so? There is a way to upgrade from i386 to amd64 on an installed

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:22:43AM -0600, Bruce Burden wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 08:41:44AM -0500, Robert Blayzor wrote: Is there a way to upgrade/move an already installed i386 installed 6.1 machine to amd64 without completely reinstalling? Is there a procedure to do so? It has

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Greg Black
On 2006-10-31, Robert Blayzor wrote: Is there a way to upgrade/move an already installed i386 installed 6.1 machine to amd64 without completely reinstalling? Is there a procedure to do so? Having just gone through the migration in the opposite direction, I would ask why you want to do this?

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Greg Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2006-10-31, Robert Blayzor wrote: Is there a way to upgrade/move an already installed i386 installed 6.1 machine to amd64 without completely reinstalling? Is there a procedure to do so? Having just gone through the migration in the

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Linimon
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 03:31:34PM -0500, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Greg Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The state of the software out there is disgracefully far from being ready for 64-bit platforms -- after wasting weeks in a vain attempt to get a workable development environment on my

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Greg Black
On 2006-10-31, Bill Moran wrote: In response to Greg Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2006-10-31, Robert Blayzor wrote: Is there a way to upgrade/move an already installed i386 installed 6.1 machine to amd64 without completely reinstalling? Is there a procedure to do so? Having

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 06:52:27AM +1000, Greg Black wrote: I found that a very large number of ports that mattered to me were marked i386 only. In some cases these designations are obsolete. They will require people- power to work through them and see if they are overused. In particular,

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Greg Black
On 2006-10-31, Mark Linimon wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 06:52:27AM +1000, Greg Black wrote: I found that a very large number of ports that mattered to me were marked i386 only. In some cases these designations are obsolete. They will require people- power to work through them and see

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Robert Blayzor
Greg Black wrote: Fair enough. In my defence, I'm fully committed at present and I have only one amd64 machine which I need for my real work. I can't afford to run it in amd64 mode, because so much of what I need is currently broken in a 64-bit world. That much of that broken software is

Re: 6.x from i386 to amd64

2006-10-31 Thread Greg Black
On 2006-10-31, Robert Blayzor wrote: Greg Black wrote: Fair enough. In my defence, I'm fully committed at present and I have only one amd64 machine which I need for my real work. I can't afford to run it in amd64 mode, because so much of what I need is currently broken in a 64-bit