Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-20 Thread Randy Bush
> vm.kmem_size=1500M > vm.kmem_size_max=2G i am trying this with some success. let's see how the day goes. > BTW: I use auto-tuning of the ARC cache size: > vfs.zfs.arc_min: 12288 > vfs.zfs.arc_max: 98304 how the hell is a sysadmin supposed to guess all this ? if the freebsd sysadmin n

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-20 Thread Svein Skogen (listmail account)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Randy Bush wrote: > > imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you do > not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and burn > some eye of newt. That just about sums up my impression. Nine out of ten for porting

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread perryh
Randy Bush wrote: > imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you > do not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and > burn some eye of newt. ROFL! As with any open-source project, I suppose it will be ready when it is ready. At least it hasn't been made t

RE: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Johan Hendriks
Randy Bush wrote: > imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you > do not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and > burn some eye of newt. This is not a rant, but where do you read that on FreeBSD 7.2 ZFS has been marked as production ready. As far as i k

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 08:07:40PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote: > Randy Bush wrote: > > imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you > > do not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and > > burn some eye of newt. > > This is not a rant, but where do you re

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Scot Hetzel
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 08:07:40PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote: >> Randy Bush wrote: >> > imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you >> > do not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and >> > bur

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2009-Nov-21 09:47:56 +0900, Randy Bush wrote: >imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you do >not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and burn >some eye of newt. FWIW, it's still very brittle on Solaris 10 and the Sun Support response to most issues

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Randy Bush
>> imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you >> do not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and >> burn some eye of newt. > ROFL! > As with any open-source project, I suppose it will be ready > when it is ready. At least it hasn't been made the default.

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Randy Bush
>> imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you >> do not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and >> burn some eye of newt. > This is not a rant, but where do you read that on FreeBSD 7.2 ZFS has > been marked as production ready. > As far as i know, on Fre

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread pluknet
2009/11/21 Peter Jeremy : > On 2009-Nov-21 09:47:56 +0900, Randy Bush wrote: >>imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you do >>not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and burn >>some eye of newt. > > FWIW, it's still very brittle on Solaris 10 and the Su

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Randy Bush
> My understanding is that the problem is more that the FreeBSD VM > system doesn't gracefully handle running low or out of memory. to me, that's just life in the big city. the problem i think can be solved before this is let loose on the unsuspecting public is that there are really no good tools

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 01:59:11PM -0600, Scot Hetzel wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Jeremy Chadwick > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 08:07:40PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote: > >> Randy Bush wrote: > >> > imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you > >> >

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Randy Bush
> Everyone's workloads are different, but the panic is the same every > time: kmem exhaustion. i386 with KVA_PAGES or amd64 -- happens on both. > It's highly dependent upon workload and what the filesystem consists of > (many files vs. fewer files but larger in size, etc.) these are measurable.

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Marco van Tol
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 06:16:04PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > >> imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you > >> do not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air, and > >> burn some eye of newt. > > ROFL! > > As with any open-source project, I suppose it will be

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 04:29:26PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 01:59:11PM -0600, Scot Hetzel wrote: > > > RELENG_7 and RELENG_8 both, more or less, behave the same way with > > > regards to ZFS.  Both panic on kmem exhaustion.  No one has answered my > > > question as fa

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-21 Thread Adam McDougall
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:36:43AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 08:07:40PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote: > Randy Bush wrote: > > imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it crashes if you > > do not stand on your left leg, put your right hand in the air,

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-22 Thread Svein Skogen (listmail account)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam McDougall wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:36:43AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 08:07:40PM +0100, Johan Hendriks wrote: > > Randy Bush wrote: > > > imiho, zfs can not be called production ready if it cr

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-22 Thread Adam McDougall
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:00:03AM +0100, Svein Skogen (listmail account) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam McDougall wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:36:43AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 08:07:40PM +0100, Johan Hendr

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-23 Thread Borja Marcos
On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:34 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> Try running FreeBSD 7-Stable to get the latest ZFS version which on >> FreeBSD is 13 > > that is what i am running. RELENG_7 I've been following ZFS on FreeBSD long ago, and it really seems to be stable on 8.0/amd64. Even Sun Microsystems s

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-23 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 09:41:43AM +0100, Borja Marcos wrote: > On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:34 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > > >> Try running FreeBSD 7-Stable to get the latest ZFS version which on > >> FreeBSD is 13 > > > > that is what i am running. RELENG_7 > > I've been following ZFS on FreeBSD long

Re: 7.2 dies in zfs

2009-11-23 Thread Borja Marcos
On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 09:41:43AM +0100, Borja Marcos wrote: >> On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:34 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> Try running FreeBSD 7-Stable to get the latest ZFS version which on FreeBSD is 13 >>> >>> that is what i am runni