Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-15 Thread Philipp Ost
Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:58:34 -0500 "Nikolas Britton" wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Brilliant. Let'

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Clayton Milos
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:58:34 -0500 "Nikolas Britton" wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Brilliant. Let's destroy years of good will with

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:55:20AM -0400, Sean Bryant wrote: > Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated > but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work > for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. > It might b

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Charles Shannon Hendrix
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:58:34 -0500 "Nikolas Britton" wrote: > We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer > documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD > or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Brilliant. Let's destroy years of good will wi

Re: Xorg and ATI card query.

2007-03-14 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 23:21, David Malone wrote: > I then tried to get a newer version working, but the fglrx_drv.so > from newer ATI releases are linked against a whole bunch of crud > (libstdc++, libgcc_s, ). I tried fudging the linker to make it > load the FreeBSD versions of these, which

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread youshi10
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Oliver Fromme wrote: Vince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sean Bryant wrote: > > Andrew Reilly wrote: > > > Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards > > > that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of > > > open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Louis Kowolowski
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:55:20AM -0400, Sean Bryant wrote: ... > Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated > but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work > for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. > It mig

RE: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Andresen, Jason R.
On Behalf Of fred > >Sean Bryant a écrit : >> Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that >> accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card >and cannot >> get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing >> happens after that. It might be the fact t

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. already did, i use AMD

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Oliver Fromme
Vince <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sean Bryant wrote: > > Andrew Reilly wrote: > > > Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards > > > that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of > > > open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast 'leet gamer > > > system

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Scott Long wrote: Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Scott Long
Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of at

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Vince
Sean Bryant wrote: > Andrew Reilly wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) >> Doug Ambrisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, >>> whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati >>> since it was ea

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get sup

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread fred
Sean Bryant a écrit : Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the fact that I have a PCI express card. Bu

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Yann Golanski
Quoth Sean Bryant on Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:55:20 -0400 > Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated > but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work > for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. > It might be th

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Sean Bryant
Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm startin

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Massimo Lusetti
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:40:19 -0500 "Matthew D. Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sitting on a G450 here. Works great. I've never heard anything > bad about the 550 either, and it's a bit more capable. But then, the > 550 is also like 6 years old now (and still >$100 new, and uncommon > u

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread fred
Kip Macy a écrit : Good data point. I'm not taking sides. What dual head card are you using? I'm ordering the parts for a shuttle box now - if Nvidia works better I'll go with it. By the past, I tried it with an (old :-) 6800 GT, on DFP + CRT iiyama screens: two different displays or only one (t

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:43:12AM +1100 I heard the voice of Andrew Reilly, and lo! it spake thus: > > Matrox used to have a reputation for goodness (I used to have a G400 > or the like), but it's been a long time... I'm sitting on a G450 here. Works great. I've never heard anything bad about

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Yann Golanski
Quoth Nikolas Britton on Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 14:58:34 -0500 > We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer > documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD > or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. It is not a problem but a marketing decision we

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: Since AMD/ATI doesn't make a native driver for FreeBSD, I only buy notebooks with nvidia, and I told my friends about this. We as FreeBSD users could write about this in our blogs and pages, which will widespread the word about the driver issues in better way,

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
On 3/13/07, Nikolas Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, > whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati > since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards >

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Kip Macy
> Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and > goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 > support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI > because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia > driver. I have a frie

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread fred
Kip Macy a écrit : Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia driver. I h

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Doug Ambrisko wrote: Kip Macy writes: | Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and | goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 | support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI | because of the problems I

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Doug Ambrisko
Kip Macy writes: | Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and | goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 | support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI | because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia | drive

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Kip Macy
Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia driver. I have a friend who has

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Mar 13, 2007, at 16:33 , Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the pro

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Jack Vogel
On 3/13/07, Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer > documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD > or ATI components until they decide to fix

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer > documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD > or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. > > Here's the email address of AMD's presi

Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Nikolas Britton
We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. On 3/12/07, Daniel O'

Re: Xorg and ATI card query.

2007-03-13 Thread David Malone
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:03:33PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Tuesday 13 March 2007 07:21, Stanislav Sedov wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:40:07 + > > AFAIK, opensource Xorg ati drivers doesn't work with anything beyond > > x1800. flgrx is only linux binary, however, so you couldn't u

Re: Xorg and ATI card query.

2007-03-13 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 07:21, Stanislav Sedov wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:40:07 + > AFAIK, opensource Xorg ati drivers doesn't work with anything beyond > x1800. flgrx is only linux binary, however, so you couldn't use it for > FreeBSD. Actually.. http://www.fglrx-freebsd.com/index.php

Re: Xorg and ATI card query.

2007-03-13 Thread Alexander Sabourenkov
Stanislav Sedov wrote: > > AFAIK, opensource Xorg ati drivers doesn't work with anything beyond > x1800. That would be x800. No x1k and problems with onboard video. -- ./lxnt ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailm

Re: Xorg and ATI card query.

2007-03-13 Thread Stanislav Sedov
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:40:07 + Yann Golanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mentioned: > I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD working > with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to get > VESA to "work" but cannot get much more than that. > > fglrx gi

Re: Xorg and ATI card query.

2007-03-12 Thread Doug Ambrisko
Daniel O'Connor writes: | On Tuesday 13 March 2007 05:10, Yann Golanski wrote: | > I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD | > working with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to | > get VESA to "work" but cannot get much more than that. | | The

Re: Xorg and ATI card query.

2007-03-12 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 05:10, Yann Golanski wrote: > I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD > working with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to > get VESA to "work" but cannot get much more than that. There is no open source support for thi