Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-05-03 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 29/04/2011, at 10:38, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> The OSX box is connected via an Airport Express (11n). > > Can you connect something to it via Ethernet and attempt an FTP transfer > (both PUT (store on server) and GET (retrieve from server)) from a > client on the wired network? Make sure wha

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-29 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 09:25:03AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:59:54 pm Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > I've seen cases where entries in /boot/loader.conf throw parser errors > > during loader(8) when quotes aren't used. The man page denotes that > > quotes are required,

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-29 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:59:54 pm Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > I've seen cases where entries in /boot/loader.conf throw parser errors > during loader(8) when quotes aren't used. The man page denotes that > quotes are required, which doesn't appear to be true? Possibly the > parser only throws er

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 29/04/2011, at 10:38, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > Could you please provide output from "zfs get all poolname"? Myself and > others would like to review what settings you're using on the > filesystem. If it's a separate filesystem (e.g. pool/foobar), please > also provide output from "zfs get all

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 29/04/2011, at 11:43, Artem Belevich wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Jeremy Chadwick > wrote: >> I will note something, however: your ARC max is set to 3072MB, yet Wired >> is around 4143MB. Do you have something running on this box that takes >> up a lot of RAM? mysqld, etc..? I

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Artem Belevich
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > I will note something, however: your ARC max is set to 3072MB, yet Wired > is around 4143MB.  Do you have something running on this box that takes > up a lot of RAM?  mysqld, etc..?  I'm trying to account for the "extra > gigabyte" in Wired

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Malcolm Waltz
On Apr 28, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: Be aware there are all sorts of caveats/complexities with iSCSI on FreeBSD. There are past threads on -stable and -fs talking about them in great detail. I personally wouldn't go this route. Why can't OS X use CIFS? It has the ability to moun

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Malcolm Waltz
ZFS volumes (zvol s) can definitely be resized using the volsize property: # zfs get volsize mypool/myvol NAMEPROPERTY VALUESOURCE mypool/myvol volsize 2G - # zfs set volsize=4g mypool/myvol Mac OS 10.5 and later allows you to resize Journaled HFS+ volumes (using diskutil or

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 09:43:47AM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 29/04/2011, at 5:26, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > >> I have the following ZFS related tunables > >> > >> vfs.zfs.arc_max="3072M" > >> vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable="1" > >> vfs.zfs.txg.timeout=5 > >> vfs.zfs.cache_flush_disable=1 > >

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 29/04/2011, at 5:26, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> I have the following ZFS related tunables >> >> vfs.zfs.arc_max="3072M" >> vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable="1" >> vfs.zfs.txg.timeout=5 >> vfs.zfs.cache_flush_disable=1 > > Are the last two actually *working* in /boot/loader.conf? Can you > verify by

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 29/04/2011, at 2:16, Malcolm Waltz wrote: > I doubt the issues you are encountering have much to do with ZFS. > > It sounds like you are using TimeMachine over NFS. Obviously, Apple does not > support that configuration: > http://www.google.com/search?q=time+machine+nfs+site:apple.com > > I

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Mikael Fridh
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > I've seen cases where entries in /boot/loader.conf throw parser errors > during loader(8) when quotes aren't used.  The man page denotes that > quotes are required, which doesn't appear to be true?  Possibly the > parser only throws erro

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 05:27:04PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:56:01 pm Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:33:22PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > Does anyone else use ZFS to store TM backups? > > > > > > I find that whenever my laptop (over wi

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:56:01 pm Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:33:22PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > Does anyone else use ZFS to store TM backups? > > > > I find that whenever my laptop (over wifi!) starts a TM the ZFS machine it's backing up to grinds to a halt..

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Scott Sipe
On Apr 28, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:33:22PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> Does anyone else use ZFS to store TM backups? >> >> I find that whenever my laptop (over wifi!) starts a TM the ZFS machine it's >> backing up to grinds to a halt.. Other sys

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Malcolm Waltz
AFP is not the same as HFS+. Time Machine will work better with AFP than NFS or SMB/CIFS, but it's still not using native HFS+ unless you are using block storage (even if you use AFP with an HFS+ filesystem). Time Machine cannot function at all without accessing HFS+ directly. If you are usin

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:33:22PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > Does anyone else use ZFS to store TM backups? > > I find that whenever my laptop (over wifi!) starts a TM the ZFS machine it's > backing up to grinds to a halt.. Other systems streaming stuff over NFS from > it also tend to stall

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:17 PM, George Kontostanos wrote: > I am using TM over smb on a ZFS Raidz1 pool of my fileserver with no problems > whatsoever. > > NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT > tank/apple 37.2G 82.8G 37.2G /tank/apple > > Oldest back

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread George Kontostanos
I am using TM over smb on a ZFS Raidz1 pool of my fileserver with no problems whatsoever. NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT tank/apple 37.2G 82.8G 37.2G /tank/apple Oldest backup 14 December 2009 On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:03 AM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > Does anyone else use ZFS to store TM backups? > > I find that whenever my laptop (over wifi!) starts a TM the ZFS machine it's > backing up to grinds to a halt.. Other systems streaming stuff over NFS from > it also tend to stall.. > > I pre

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Adam Vande More
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Thomas Ronner wrote: > On 4/28/11 4:03 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > >> Does anyone else use ZFS to store TM backups? >> >> I find that whenever my laptop (over wifi!) starts a TM the ZFS machine >> it's backing up to grinds to a halt.. Other systems streaming stu

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Malcolm Waltz
I doubt the issues you are encountering have much to do with ZFS. It sounds like you are using TimeMachine over NFS. Obviously, Apple does not support that configuration: http://www.google.com/search?q=time+machine+nfs+site:apple.com In my opinion, TimeMachine should only be used with block sto

Re: ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Thomas Ronner
Hi, On 4/28/11 4:03 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Does anyone else use ZFS to store TM backups? I find that whenever my laptop (over wifi!) starts a TM the ZFS machine it's backing up to grinds to a halt.. Other systems streaming stuff over NFS from it also tend to stall.. Are you using zfs co

ZFS vs OSX Time Machine

2011-04-28 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Does anyone else use ZFS to store TM backups? I find that whenever my laptop (over wifi!) starts a TM the ZFS machine it's backing up to grinds to a halt.. Other systems streaming stuff over NFS from it also tend to stall.. I presume that TM is doing something which causes ZFS some issues but I