From: "Hector Lecuanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
After seeng 60-odd messages in this thread in only 4 days, i can only say
BIKE SHED ALERT!
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING
we could all take a minute and read that little jewel buried in the
docs, since
After seeng 60-odd messages in this thread in only 4 days, i can only say
BIKE SHED ALERT!
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING
we could all take a minute and read that little jewel buried in the
docs, since this is a prime example of the bike-shed synd
Ulrich Spoerlein wrote:
Fixed width is stupid. Period. I'd appreciate it if this could be
changed to a relative width of the central column OR a fixed width of
the borders.
Yeah, not to pick on those working on this project, since I think it
generally represents a huge stride in the right dir
Am Montag, 10. Oktober 2005 13:45 schrieb Ulrich Spoerlein:
> Fixed width is stupid. Period. I'd appreciate it if this could be
> changed to a relative width of the central column OR a fixed width of
> the borders.
>
> Also, the width for the fonts either assumes pixel width or uses fixed
> point w
On Thu, 06.10.2005 at 20:36:07 +0200, Bartosz Fabianowski wrote:
> >monitor are wider than taller, why restrain horizontal space ?
>
> A fixed width design is very fashionable these days and you see it creeping
> up everywhere.
> It's what's considered "professional" these days, so I can't reall
My congrats to the webdesigners and the Freebsd community, for the
great looking new webpage!
I find it infomative, easily navigated and it even looks good in lynx.
What more can you ask for?
Good job!
// Martin Gumucio
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On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:13:33AM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:48:59AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> > I think maybe we need a few more ADA lawsuits filed against
> > companies (and other organizations) for the crimes they are
> > committing with their websites.
>
On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:48:59AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> I think maybe we need a few more ADA lawsuits filed against
> companies (and other organizations) for the crimes they are
> committing with their websites.
Indeed. We have committers with all sorts of disabilities (including
At 11:02 AM +1000 2005-10-08, jonathan michaels wrote:
i've offten made (tried to) point that if you make a page accessible to
a disabled peron that all teh (so called) not so disabled people will
find the pages far easier to use and a sight more easier on teh eye.
I've felt this way for a
greetings all,
my bagage is this .. i am a disabled man who lives with severe
chronicly debiliting pain from significantly danaged neurology and
associated arthritis. there are several other conributing issues but i
don't need to belabour the point more than this.
i use freebsd on hardware that i
From: "Garance A Drosehn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 3:42 PM -0700 10/6/05, Murray Stokely wrote:
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005, Dan Ponte wrote:
> One idea is to revert to the old design, which suited people's
> needs just fine. However, I doubt that will happen.
Uhm, it didn't suit people's needs just
At 3:42 PM -0700 10/6/05, Murray Stokely wrote:
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005, Dan Ponte wrote:
> One idea is to revert to the old design, which suited people's
> needs just fine. However, I doubt that will happen.
Uhm, it didn't suit people's needs just fine. It was total crap
with dozens of disorgan
At 7:04 PM +0200 2005-10-07, Oliver Fromme wrote:
> Scrolling is always preferable to clicking since it requires less
> effort and has a better response time.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. Moving the mouse pointer to
the scroll bar, clicking it and dragging it is definitely
more effort
Tuomo Latto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greg Barniskis wrote:
> > well, usability is not an entirely objective measure, but there are
> > objective aspects to it. Like, not having to scroll to find crucial
> > navigation links and the Search box, or to see what the latest
>
> You forget
Hej Dave,
Dave Fazio wrote:
Totally agree and understand your point -- a graphical install option
would mainly appeal to desktop users. But let's be honest; considering
the competition install base of Red Hat, Mac OS X, SUN, and (ech!)
Windows, the day of GUI deskop'd servers is here now; Pu
On 10/6/05, Bartosz Fabianowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > monitor are wider than taller, why restrain horizontal space ?
>
> A fixed width design is very fashionable these days and you see it creeping
> up everywhere. It's what's considered "professional" these days, so I can't
> really blame
Would just like to say I think the new site looks great, well done and
thanks to all the people that have donated spare time to work on this.
Maybe all the moaning minnies would like to submit a URL where they have
put hardwork into making an alternative site for us all to see, instead
of p
Miguel Saturnino wrote:
>>You'd expect popups from the links on the top (they look like that
>>sort of links), but none seem to appear and I've just wasted time
>>waiting for them to appear.
>
> Why would you expect pop-up windows from the new menu? Why does this
> menu looks like a menu that will
Greg Barniskis wrote:
> Dan Ponte wrote:
>>>I doubt the primary goal here
>>>was to appear trendy.
>>
>>Well, it certainly seems as if that was one of the goals, seeing how the
>>new site uses quite a few new webdesign concepts that came into
>>existence in the past few years, while providing littl
[Redirected to -www since that's where stuff about the web page should
be discussed, not -stable]
On 2005.10.06 21:17:50 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote:
> I'd suggest that the most important feature that is missing is a
> website map. The website looks nothing like it used to and many of my
> commonl
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 10:21:44AM +0100, Miguel Saturnino wrote:
> > With Opera, about 40% of the screen space is left unused.
> > I *liked* the quick links the old one had on the sides.
>
> If you try it with a screen resolution of 800x600 it will fill all the
> screen ;) A fluid design can be m
Totally agree and understand your point -- a graphical install option
would mainly appeal to desktop users. But let's be honest; considering
the competition install base of Red Hat, Mac OS X, SUN, and (ech!)
Windows, the day of GUI deskop'd servers is here now; Purests hate it
sure, but it's
On 2005-10-07, Murray Stokely wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 03:12:04PM +1000, Greg Black wrote:
>> To list the most critical issues:
>>
>> * Many important navigation links (e.g., the Handbook, the
>> Ports) disappeared from the front page.
>
> The Handbook was added back to the front pa
Can opened.. Worms everywhere.
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Hi!
On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 20:22 +0300, Tuomo Latto wrote:
> You'd expect popups from the links on the top (they look like that
> sort of links), but none seem to appear and I've just wasted time
> waiting for them to appear.
Why would you expect pop-up windows from the new menu? Why does this
men
On Thu, 2005-Oct-06 20:22:06 +0300, Tuomo Latto wrote:
>Lynx Version 2.8.5rel.1 (04 Feb 2004) doesn't seem to handle XML,
>so when you're in a pinch with your fw/gw machine that doesn't have
>X installed and you quickly need to access eg. some documentation
>on the site, you're out of luck.
The fi
Hej Dave,
Dave Fazio wrote:
In my opinion, this page will help popularize FreeBSD more than the
older (adding graphical installer would help too -- hint hint).
a graphical installer may help desktop users, but is totally unusable
for server installations where you either want to install automa
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 03:12:04PM +1000, Greg Black wrote:
> To list the most critical issues:
>
> * Many important navigation links (e.g., the Handbook, the
> Ports) disappeared from the front page.
The Handbook was added back to the front page hours ago in response to
earlier posts. If
Friday, October 7, 2005, 1:56:38 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
This should really go away from this list, but this (and a subsequent
mail) really ticked me off :
> This new so called `professional style' is style over substance:
> "LATEST NEWS" is a joke: They're advertising (bottom left)
>
This belongs on freebsd-www; reply-to set accordingly.
On 2005-10-06, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:37:40PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:33:26PM -0400, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy:
>>> On Thu, Oc
Bill Vermillion wrote:
> Well if you like the old site just try this:
> http://www.freebsd.org/old
Thanks for the URL.
I've changed my include file to regenerate footers on the 280 web
pages I maintain to ref. the good `old' URL. If others
do that, the page hit counters may tell the boys wh
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 03:42:14PM -0700, Murray Stokely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy:
> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:15:41PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
> > One idea is to revert to the old design, which suited people's needs
> > just fine. However, I doubt that w
Dan Ponte wrote:
I doubt the primary goal here
was to appear trendy.
Well, it certainly seems as if that was one of the goals, seeing how the
new site uses quite a few new webdesign concepts that came into
existence in the past few years, while providing little benefit in the
way of content o
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 09:48:09PM +0100, Chris wrote:
> I think it's refreshing to see a new look, this is one is more current.
> I'm a bit disappointed that it doesn't display so well in Dillo. It was
> great not having to start firefox just to see a bit of documentation.
> Well you can still
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:18:54PM +0200, Marwan Burelle wrote:
> I don't like an upper navigation bar, simply because every thing on a
> computer screen just work like that (your browser have all its control
> on the top, most desktop have a task bar on the bottom of screen
> and/or a menu on the
Hello Dan,
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:15:41PM -0400 or thereabouts, Dan Ponte wrote:
> It certainly does put me at a disadvantage; see the statements made by
> the earlier author.
>
> One idea is to revert to the old design, which suited people's needs
> just fine. However, I doubt that will happ
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 04:43:36PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
> I second that all the way. Personally, I feel that the FreeBSD project
> is doing too much in the way of appearing "trendy" to attract new users,
> and it's at the expense of its existing userbase. Not to mention that
> the old site rende
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:15:41PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
> One idea is to revert to the old design, which suited people's needs
> just fine. However, I doubt that will happen.
Uhm, it didn't suit people's needs just fine. It was total crap with
dozens of disorganized links all over the front pa
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:15:41PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
> > > > > I second that all the way. Personally, I feel that the FreeBSD project
> > > > > is doing too much in the way of appearing "trendy" to attract new
> > > > > users,
> > > > > and it's at the expense of its existing userbase. Not
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 04:49:31PM -0500, Greg Barniskis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy:
> Dan Ponte (>) [with help from some others (>>)] wrote:
>
> >>A lot of stuff has been removed from plain sight which means
> >>more clicking and scrolling and searching a
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:49:04PM -0400, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
witnessed plotting the following conspiracy:
> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:37:40PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:33:26PM -0400, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > was witnessed plotting the
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 04:49:31PM -0500, Greg Barniskis wrote:
> Now, if only the site Search worked better... ah well, there's
> always http://www.google.com/bsd
Yeah..it would be great if someone could come up with a better search
system.
Kris
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Dan Ponte (>) [with help from some others (>>)] wrote:
A lot of stuff has been removed from plain sight which means
more clicking and scrolling and searching and waiting.
Oh yes, let's all start burying information..
I personally didn't have any problems grokking the new layout or
finding anyt
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:37:40PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:33:26PM -0400, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy:
> > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 04:43:36PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
> >
> > > I second that all the way. Personall
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:37:01PM -0400, Ben Kelly wrote:
> On Thursday 06 October 2005 5:25 am, Claus Guttesen wrote:
> > Hey.
> >
> > Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
> > Nice work.
>
> While I like the new design, I think the mailing list page is a little
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:33:26PM -0400, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
witnessed plotting the following conspiracy:
> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 04:43:36PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
>
> > I second that all the way. Personally, I feel that the FreeBSD project
> > is doing too much in the way o
On Thursday 06 October 2005 5:25 am, Claus Guttesen wrote:
> Hey.
>
> Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
> Nice work.
While I like the new design, I think the mailing list page is a little
confusing. There is a prominent section for finding the archives, but n
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 04:43:36PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote:
> I second that all the way. Personally, I feel that the FreeBSD project
> is doing too much in the way of appearing "trendy" to attract new users,
> and it's at the expense of its existing userbase. Not to mention that
> the old site rend
Yann Golanski wrote:
>Well, I like the new design very much.
>It's simpler and has less wha on the front page. The top bar thingy
I also like the design better than the old one; congrats to the people
who did it. It's more compact, it fits on one page (no need to scroll),
it's clearly laid out
Tuomo Latto wrote:
>Yecch. All ugly and businesslike. This is what you'd expect from
>all sorts of companies that are all marketing and no information.
At least the.. uhm.. rustic-looking UGU button is gone. ;)
mkb.
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I think it's refreshing to see a new look, this is one is more current.
I'm a bit disappointed that it doesn't display so well in Dillo. It was
great not having to start firefox just to see a bit of documentation.
Well you can still get there it just needs a bit more clicking and
scrolling.
A
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 08:22:06PM +0300, Tuomo Latto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
witnessed plotting the following conspiracy:
> Alexander S. Usov wrote:
> >>Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
> ...
> > And in general, I have already heard from quite a lot of people
monitor are wider than taller, why restrain horizontal space ?
A fixed width design is very fashionable these days and you see it creeping up
everywhere. It's what's considered "professional" these days, so I can't really
blame anybody trying to appear professional for choosing it. But I still
On Thursday 06 October 2005 5:55 am, Alexander S. Usov wrote:
> Claus Guttesen wrote:
> > Hey.
> >
> > Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
> > Nice work.
>
> There are however some small bugs:
> if you will press a textsize link in conqueror, then the main menu go
In my opinion, this page will help popularize FreeBSD more than the
older (adding graphical installer would help too -- hint hint).
Usability may be another question--not sure. Maybe keep going down this
road, and take the best of both versions?
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Tuomo Latto wrote:
Alexander S. Usov wrote:
Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
...
And in general, I have already heard from quite a lot of people today that
the old design was quite authentic and recognizable, while the new one
looks as a quite standard
Alexander S. Usov wrote:
>>Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
...
> And in general, I have already heard from quite a lot of people today that
> the old design was quite authentic and recognizable, while the new one
> looks as a quite standard portal.
Yecch. All
On or about Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 12:01 , while attempting a
Zarathustra emulation [EMAIL PROTECTED] thus spake:
> Message: 12
> From: Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage
> It's definitely a totally different look. At this stage, I'd
On October 6, 2005 02:25 am, Claus Guttesen wrote:
> Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new
> look! Nice work.
Other than the main page, which is very different from the rest of the
site, it looks really nice. Very easy to find information, consistent
look, nice colour
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 04:00:53PM +0100, Yann Golanski wrote:
> Well, I like the new design very much.
It's only a matter of taste ... I don't like it ...
> It's simpler and has less wha on the front page. The top bar thingy
> gives you a nice and clear menu to find more information and has a
>
On Thursday 06 October 2005 5:25 am, Claus Guttesen wrote:
> Hey.
>
> Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
> Nice work.
Overall I like the new site a lot.
I did find a broken link however. On:
http://www.freebsd.org/community/newsgroups.html
The first "newsgro
Quoth Julian H. Stacey on Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 16:47:46 +0200
> Me Too. New one is dead boring, not colourful, & much boring real
> estate given on the prime left column to the mega yawn of "New
> commiter" "New commiter" "New commiter" Really boring that, except
> to insiders.
Well, I like the n
Peter Jeremy wrote:
> It's definitely a totally different look. At this stage, I'd say
> that I prefer the old site
Me Too. New one is dead boring, not colourful, & much boring real
estate given on the prime left column to the mega yawn of "New
commiter" "New commiter" "New commiter" Really borin
On 10/6/05, Claus Guttesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey.
>
> Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
> Nice work.
>
> regards
> Claus
I'd say the launch of the new website should show up in "Latest news" ;)
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> Hey.
>
> Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
> Nice work.
although this new page is a total breaktrough in the unix like design
Emily does a good job, I like the new homepage
Here the proposals made for the summer of code :
http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/fr
It's definitely a totally different look. At this stage, I'd say
that I prefer the old site - but that's a very personal opinion and
is at least partially based on familiarity. I'm disappointed that
the daemon has gone from the top banner.
I'd suggest that the most important feature that is miss
Claus Guttesen wrote:
> Hey.
>
> Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
> Nice work.
There are however some small bugs:
if you will press a textsize link in conqueror, then the main menu goes
nuts. The fixed-size columns on the front page aren't wide enough for me
$FreeBSD: www/en/index.xsl,v 1.129 2005/10/05 21:46:34
! it's perfect
delphij Exp $
2005/10/6, Claus Guttesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hey.
>
> Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
> Nice
Hey.
Just pointed firefox to freebsd.org and I was greeted with a new look!
Nice work.
regards
Claus
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