Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-18 Thread Dmitry Pryanishnikov
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=109277 The problem looks like a lack of proper locking during the operations with clist (specifically, this causes multiple entry to cblock_alloc()). I'm ready to provide further debugging information on

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-18 Thread Dmitry Pryanishnikov
Hello! On Thu, 8 Feb 2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: Not that it contradicts anything you said, but it's worth re-emphasizing that there is apparently no-one in the community interested in maintaining pppd on FreeBSD, which is how it got to the current sorry state. I agree that the absence of pp

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-18 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, Feb 18, 2007 at 09:31:47PM +0200, Dmitry Pryanishnikov wrote: > > Hello! > > On Thu, 8 Feb 2007, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >Not that it contradicts anything you said, but it's worth > >re-emphasizing that there is apparently no-one in the community > >interested in maintaining pppd on FreeBS

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-12 Thread Ian Smith
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Bruce M. Simpson wrote: > There's information around PPP that's not been communicated or > documented well. The 'performance' way to do PPP on FreeBSD is to go off > and run MPD, because it has the right compromise between doing low-level > packet shunting in the kernel

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd

2007-02-11 Thread Christopher Sean Hilton
On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 03:06 +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: [ snip ] > All that your "bug report" accomplishes is broadcasting your bad and > uninformed attitude to an even bigger audience. It is in your own and the > FreeBSD community's best interest to backtrack before anyone gets to form a

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-11 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Sunday, 11. February 2007 02:43, Bruce M. Simpson wrote: > So far so good. The problem is that the BSD magicians and the KDE GUI > magicians are not sharing their spell-books, and thus, their models of > how the code operates; the communities have to intersect somehow. That > could be you, y'kn

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-10 Thread Bruce M. Simpson
Michael Nottebrock wrote: And yes, if pppd is broken and won't be fixed, it should disappear. And when that happens, so will kppp (it won't build once the if_ppp.h header is gone). Which of course would solve the problem in a way. In any case: I dragged this issue onto -stable precisel

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-09 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Saturday, 10. February 2007 07:34, Ian Smith wrote: > Since once trying (and failing) to debug or even comprehend a spaghetti > of scripts and configs behind a dialout-only linux pppd setup some years > ago, compared to the much more straightforward ppp with mgetty setup for > both dialout and

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd

2007-02-09 Thread Hajimu UMEMOTO
Hi, > On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:24:11 +0100 > Eric Masson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: emss> Right, and an up to date pppd in base would be imho really nice to have. emss> Kernel pppoe as in Net/Open would be an alternative to net/mpd. emss> (No, I'm not volunteering to port NetBSD's kernel ppp

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-09 Thread Ian Smith
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > On Thursday, 8. February 2007 08:38, Ian Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 7. February 2007 18:45, Joe Vender wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 07 February 2007 01:59, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > >

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd

2007-02-09 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Friday, 9. February 2007 22:48, John Walthall wrote: > Because of known problems with > PPPD, KPPP should provide at least the option of using user land PPP. > You may of course differ from this view. However, unless a large outcry > arises, I will not close the bug. I think that it is, in-fac

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd

2007-02-09 Thread John Walthall
Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2007-Feb-08 17:16:23 -0500, John Walthall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: functionally obsolete. User PPP provides better service, and several tangible design benefits. User PPP is very easy to use, Kernel PPP is not. Actually, kernel PPP has one significant (at least theoret

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd

2007-02-09 Thread Eric Masson
Peter Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi, > Actually, kernel PPP has one significant (at least theoretical) > advantage over user ppp: Network data is not pushed through the > kernel/userland interface an additional two times. This is irrelevant > for low-speed modem interfaces but could be

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd

2007-02-09 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2007-Feb-08 17:16:23 -0500, John Walthall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >functionally obsolete. User PPP provides better service, and several >tangible design benefits. User PPP is very easy to use, Kernel PPP is not. Actually, kernel PPP has one significant (at least theoretical) advantage over u

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd

2007-02-08 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Thursday, 8. February 2007 23:16, John Walthall wrote: > Ok, now an editorial: I should not really dignify this rant by replying to it, but: > We have a fundamental design difference from Linux here. We chose this > difference because we believed that it was better. Why would we go back > now

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd

2007-02-08 Thread John Walthall
Ok, now an editorial: Kernel PPP is certified crap and should be phased out. In my personal opinion the reason that it is unmaintained and slowly dissolving into a nonfunctional pool of electrolytes, is that it is functionally obsolete. User PPP provides better service, and several tangi

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-08 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Thursday, 8. February 2007 08:38, Ian Smith wrote: > On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > On Wednesday, 7. February 2007 18:45, Joe Vender wrote: > > > On Wednesday 07 February 2007 01:59, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > > There is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-07 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 06:38:08PM +1100, Ian Smith wrote: > Not to suggest that any pppd/kernel interaction problems ought not to be > addressed by those wishing to maintain pppd for linux compatibility or > other reasons, but the reality is that most FreeBSD users have long > preferred user ppp

Re: pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-07 Thread Ian Smith
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > On Wednesday, 7. February 2007 18:45, Joe Vender wrote: > > On Wednesday 07 February 2007 01:59, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > ... > > > > > There is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55785 on record, your > > > description sounds more like y

pppd crashes, was: kde-freebsd] Question about KPPP on FreeBSD

2007-02-07 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Wednesday, 7. February 2007 18:45, Joe Vender wrote: > On Wednesday 07 February 2007 01:59, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > ... > > > There is https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55785 on record, your > > description sounds more like you're getting a kernel panic in the > > background though (KPPP