Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Tom Ehlert
+1 (I hate +1 mails on a mailing list that is read by 100's of readers, but this mail deserves it) Bringing things back to reality: Options 1, 2, and 3 do not exist and are not likely to exist for a few years even after somebody actively starts working on them. Options 1 and 2 can not

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Aitor Santamaría
Hi, I have to admit the difference between what I'd like to see and what I think it is likely to happen. I had found Japheth's work promising towards a good VMM, but apparently doesn't seem to be under active development, I find the task would be so huge (need to rewrite 32-bit versions of

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Thank you very much, Vidók! On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Vidók Tibor tibor.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I was participating in a project to port a 32bit proprietary OS to 64bit 6 or 7 years ago. I was using a printed wersion of AMD64 Architecture Programmer’s Manual Volume 2: System

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Vidók Tibor
Hi, I was participating in a project to port a 32bit proprietary OS to 64bit 6 or 7 years ago. I was using a printed wersion of AMD64 Architecture Programmer’s Manual Volume 2: System Programming http://amd-dev.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/media/2012/10/24593_APM_v21.pdf Documentation.

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Michael Brutman
You are really providing links to me about how protected mode works? I am somewhat amused. Your new OS has to be able to arbitrate between conflicts caused by the multiple running VDMs. If two programs running at the same time choose to access the same I/O ports how are you going to handle

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Louis Santillan
To maybe summarize and make the task list a bit more concrete. Goals for FD 1.2 * Update kernel (release 2042?) * Update apps * Update translations * Update installer * Update/Standardize on mTCP and FDNPKG * Live-CD with installer * Floppy-based installer Possible Goals for FD 2.0 * USB-drive

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Louis Santillan
Like others have said, anything (like the fictitious 64-bit DPMI) which has 1) little or no working code as of today (precedent/compatibility/feature parity with MS 3.3/6.22), 2) has a high a degree of complexity (achieveable), 3) requires a large dedication of man-hours to complete, 3) has little

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Mercury Thirteen
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Michael Brutman mbbrut...@brutman.com wrote: Options 1, 2, and 3 do not exist and are not likely to exist for a few years even after somebody actively starts working on them. Correct. I never said this was something which could be thrown together overnight. I

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Tom Ehlert
It is a little silly to keep talking about a 32 bit kernel on the roadmap when such an option does not exist. I see your point, however if that attitude was taken during the initial formative discussions of the existing FreeDOS kernel... it never would have been made. ;-) At that point the

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Tom Ehlert
I have to say, I love the idea of a 64-bit DPMI. That's an area in which we would have total creative freedom because (unless I've missed the news) nobodyhas made such a thing yet. The only problem is that I haven't been able to find a whole lot of info on 64-bit long mode.

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 and 2.0 roadmap discussion

2015-01-06 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Sounds good to me. :) I have to say, I love the idea of a 64-bit DPMI. That's an area in which we would have total creative freedom because (unless I've missed the news) *nobody* has made such a thing yet. The only problem is that I haven't been able to find a whole lot of info on 64-bit long

Re: [Freedos-devel] drives.exe

2015-01-06 Thread Mercury Thirteen
Interesting! I guess that's my one thing I've learned today lol *Mercury* isn't my birth name either ;-) On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Mercury Thirteen mercury0x0...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that! I wasn't aware