Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-19 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 19-Авг-2006 15:04 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Markus Laire) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: ML> You didn't mention the software there, only the license, so I throught ML> that you meant that you could give a license to someone else, and ML> he/she should then download the program from il

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-19 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006, Andreas Bollhalder wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Markus Laire wrote: >> I think it's quite clear that www.bootdisk.com is a warez-site. > Where did you read that ? Do you really know, that they don't have asked > for permission ? I saw this site

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-19 Thread Andreas Bollhalder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Markus Laire wrote: > I think it's quite clear that www.bootdisk.com is a warez-site. Where did you read that ? Do you really know, that they don't have asked for permission ? I saw this site mentioned in some really legal magazines... > I think that

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-19 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/18/06, Michael Devore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If someone wanted to create a ruckus, they could point out that every time > someone allowed a commercial program for testing and debugging be sent to > anyone else, they technically violated copyright. And that's been accepted > practice for

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-19 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/18/06, Andre Tertling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Markus Laire wrote: > > I don't really know if it's legal to use illegally acquired program if > > you have a license for the program but not the program itself. > > Do you really want to start a lengthy discussion about whether I am > using a

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Jim Hall
I feel it's important to get "1.0" out there to draw a line in the sand, that we're at least "1.0" quality. We can do what MS-DOS could do. Maybe we have a few bugs, but (and maybe this is a sad fact) what "1.0" software doesn't have bugs? People expect it. But marking a "1.0" release means you

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Michael Devore
At 10:54 AM 8/18/2006 -0700, Blair Campbell wrote: >So to end this thread, since Michael already seems to own MS-DOS but >just wants an easier way of getting it on his hard drive, it is >perfectly legal to use. Well, who doesn't have legal MS-DOS, if they ever had a machine back when. It was inc

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Blair Campbell
So to end this thread, since Michael already seems to own MS-DOS but just wants an easier way of getting it on his hard drive, it is perfectly legal to use. On 8/18/06, Michael Devore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 01:06 PM 8/18/2006 +0200, Andre Tertlingwrote: > > >P.S. I am sure I have a stack

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Michael Devore
At 01:06 PM 8/18/2006 +0200, Andre Tertlingwrote: >P.S. I am sure I have a stack of MS-DOS licenses somewhere in the >basement. If someone really wants to have one, feel free to apply. Heck, I still have at least two sets of MS-DOS floppies down in basement somewhere. Don't know if they work, b

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Andre Tertling wrote: > Do you really want to start a lengthy discussion about whether I am > using a legitimately created backup with my original license or not? For > heaven's sake, I'll ship the original discs along with the license. I might still be able to locate one of

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Andre Tertling
Markus Laire wrote: > I don't really know if it's legal to use illegally acquired program if > you have a license for the program but not the program itself. Do you really want to start a lengthy discussion about whether I am using a legitimately created backup with my original license or not? Fo

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Blair Campbell
Much 1.0 software is released with known bugs. We never said that FreeDOS 1.0 would be bug free. On 8/18/06, Markus Laire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/18/06, Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You probably know that MS DOS 1.0 did not even > > support subdirectories... ;-). While FreeD

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/18/06, Eric Auer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You probably know that MS DOS 1.0 did not even > support subdirectories... ;-). While FreeDOS 1.0 > is delayed because we keep adding features to our > wishlist. Some of which are beyond MS DOS 6.xx! I wasn't really thinking MS DOS 1.0, but the at

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/18/06, Andre Tertling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would not say so. Michael compared MS DOS behaviour to > > FreeDOS behaviour to find a bug. To ensure compatibility > > (interoperability), even limited reverse engineering > > would have been allowed in Germany. But that was not IMHO rev

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 18-Авг-2006 13:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Markus Laire) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> >> Try www.bootdisk.com. boot622.exe will extract a usable MSDOS boot >> > Is that legal? >> > I didn't find any kind of legal FAQ from that site. >> Nope. ML> So FreeDOS 1.0 will be buggy sof

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Andre Tertling
Eric Auer wrote: > Hi! > > Try www.bootdisk.com. ... Is that legal? >>> Nope. > >> So FreeDOS 1.0 will be buggy software, >> created using illegal software. > > I would not say so. Michael compared MS DOS behaviour to > FreeDOS behaviour to find a bug. To ensure compatibility > (intero

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/18/06, Lyrical Nanoha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Markus Laire wrote: > > > On 8/17/06, Mark Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi Michael: > >> > >> Try www.bootdisk.com. boot622.exe will extract a usable MSDOS boot > > > > Is that legal? > > I didn't find any kind

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! Try www.bootdisk.com. ... >>> Is that legal? >> Nope. > So FreeDOS 1.0 will be buggy software, > created using illegal software. I would not say so. Michael compared MS DOS behaviour to FreeDOS behaviour to find a bug. To ensure compatibility (interoperability), even limited reverse e

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Markus Laire wrote: > On 8/17/06, Mark Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Michael: >> >> Try www.bootdisk.com. boot622.exe will extract a usable MSDOS boot > > Is that legal? > I didn't find any kind of legal FAQ from that site. Nope. -uso. ---

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-18 Thread Markus Laire
On 8/17/06, Mark Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Michael: > > Try www.bootdisk.com. boot622.exe will extract a usable MSDOS boot Is that legal? I didn't find any kind of legal FAQ from that site. -- Markus Laire - U

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-17 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, Michael Devore wrote: > [sent again with the right SourceForge-approved e-mail address this time] > > Anybody have a MS-DOS 5.x or 6.x image around I could use? I need to do > some side-by-side testing in Qemu of MS-DOS against FreeDOS. I had an > image, but it seems to have

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-17 Thread Michael Devore
At 04:54 PM 8/17/2006 -0400, Mark Bailey wrote: >Try www.bootdisk.com. boot622.exe will extract a usable MSDOS boot >floppy. Cool deal. What you sent boots up under Qemu no problemo. Thanks. - Using Tomcat but need to do

Re: [Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-17 Thread Mark Bailey
Hi Michael: Try www.bootdisk.com. boot622.exe will extract a usable MSDOS boot floppy. It wants a disk drive...if you don't have one, I'd suggest using VFD to capture the image. (A very useful program that assigns a drive letter to a "virtual" floppy disk drive and can use a file as a floppy).

[Freedos-devel] MS-DOS image

2006-08-17 Thread Michael Devore
[sent again with the right SourceForge-approved e-mail address this time] Anybody have a MS-DOS 5.x or 6.x image around I could use? I need to do some side-by-side testing in Qemu of MS-DOS against FreeDOS. I had an image, but it seems to have gone missing. Thanks. -