Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user
I was fortunate enough for my early years to be in the DOS era (albeit near its end) and I still remember the tiny pang of sadness upon reading that Microsoft was phasing out the venerable platform. My first computer was an IBM PC/XT with DOS 3.something, which was a hand-me-down from my uncle

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

2021-04-15 Thread Jon Brase
Apr 15, 2021 1:10:25 PM tom ehlert : >you probably meant 'OS architecture' (not CPU). Nope, I meant CPU. You start out with an unprotected CPU architecture like the 8086. The OS is basically just a set of hardware access libraries that applications can use or not as they wish (as they have dir

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Johnpaul Humphrey
Alvah Whealton > (roll your own excuses) Off topic slightly, but I have installed a windows-like distro on several people's computers, because they were used to windows, but were worried about viruses, scammers, &c. There are times I think, if they could just use UNIX or more on topic DOS, they wo

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Alvah Whealton
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 12:04 PM Liam Proven wrote: > > Partly because OS/2 failed, and MS cheated DR out of its fair share of > the market, we never got the multitasking relatives of DOS we could > have had in the 1980s. Instead, we got a very heavyweight inefficient > series of ones in the 1990

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Tomas By
Etcher has a validation step also, which I find reassuring. There is a linerar relationship between the length of the source code and the number of bugs, so it is probably not quite as bad as X1000. Perhaps X100. /Tomas On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:02:51 +0200, Liam Proven wrote: > Balena Etcher is

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

2021-04-15 Thread tom ehlert
> I will note that Windows 95 *could* use DOS drivers. I/O > performance suffered horribly since DOS drivers weren't thread safe, > but there was a copy of DOS in the system VM for this purpose, even > if it had nothing to do under normal circumstances. > But to some degree this is a philosophical

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread tom ehlert
I basically agree with what you write, but > Remember that in effect MS-DOS was an unlicensed copy of Digital > Research's CP/M and particularly CP/M-86. that is simply not true. to start this sentence with 'Remember' as in 'as everyone knows' is bullshit conspiracy tactics. Tom __

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS word processors / text editors

2021-04-15 Thread Jim Hall
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 7:58 AM Thomas Desi wrote: > > Hi John, > thanks for your experience account and software list. > I am intrigued - as »collecting« word processors/text editors in the "quest > for the best« - I managed to find > the following. > (https://winworldpc.com/download/c3806cc3-a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

2021-04-15 Thread Harald Arnesen
Liam Proven [15.04.2021 16:34]: > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 14:49, Jerome Shidel wrote: >> >> A while back, I was looking for a distro that still actively supported >> 32-bit hardware. Most mainstream distros have >> moved to 64-bit only. However, out of the ones I’ve tried that still do >> 32-bit

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Jim Hall
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 6:16 PM Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user wrote: >[..] > As to the original question, while I only use DOS for nostalgia > reasons, I think it makes an excellent teaching tool for learning how > modern computers work. It's especially useful for people who wish to > run Windows

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread JR
On 2021/04/15 18:05, Liam Proven wrote: On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 14:17, JR wrote: I run DOS under XP with "TAME" to stop 100% CPU usage. I am curious -- how? In some sort of VM? MS VirtualPC is a free download now... something like that? I've got the name wrong. It's TameDOS. Nope, not fre

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Jim Hall
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:04 AM Liam Proven wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user > wrote: > > > > Have you written down your tips and tricks for this anywhere? I find > > these sorts of things interesting to read, mostly for nostalgia > > reasons - as in finall

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Jim Hall
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 11:04 AM Liam Proven wrote: >[..] > Ha! Drive letters most definitely did _not_ start with DOS. > > Remember that in effect MS-DOS was an unlicensed copy of Digital > Research's CP/M and particularly CP/M-86. When the IBM PC was > launched, IBM offered a choice of 3 OSes: P

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS word processors / text editors

2021-04-15 Thread Liam Proven
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 14:58, Thomas Desi wrote: > > Hi John, > thanks for your experience account and software list. > I am intrigued - as »collecting« word processors/text editors in the "quest > for the best« - I managed to find > the following. > (https://winworldpc.com/download/c3806cc3-a01

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Liam Proven
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 14:17, JR wrote: > I run DOS under XP with > "TAME" to stop 100% CPU usage. I am curious -- how? In some sort of VM? MS VirtualPC is a free download now... something like that? > and then Mark William's COHERENT. Ah, that was an amazing OS in its day. So Unix-like, AT&T

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Liam Proven
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user wrote: > > Have you written down your tips and tricks for this anywhere? I find > these sorts of things interesting to read, mostly for nostalgia > reasons - as in finally learning about things that mystified me when I > was younger. Fo

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS word processors / text editors

2021-04-15 Thread dmccunney
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 8:58 AM Thomas Desi wrote: > > Hi John, > thanks for your experience account and software list. > I am intrigued - as »collecting« word processors/text editors in the "quest > for the best« - I managed to find > the following. > (https://winworldpc.com/download/c3806cc3-a

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

2021-04-15 Thread Liam Proven
On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 14:49, Jerome Shidel wrote: > > A while back, I was looking for a distro that still actively supported 32-bit > hardware. Most mainstream distros have > moved to 64-bit only. However, out of the ones I’ve tried that still do > 32-bit, most seem sluggish at best. Interest

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread ZB
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 01:15:30PM +, Deposite Pirate wrote: > The mainstream is the domain of the followers, those who don't have a clue. The mainstream is a source of new hardware and software -- whether you like it, or you don't -- regards, Zbigniew _

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread Deposite Pirate
April 15, 2021 3:10 PM, "ZB" wrote: > Yes, there is. When new software is created only by hobbyists -- no longer > by companies -- and also new hardware is created only as hobby thing, not > mass-manufactured by any company, not sold in the shops when there are no > new device drivers created (aga

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread ZB
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 06:17:15PM +, Deposite Pirate wrote: > Because there is no such thing as a "retro" or "ancient" computer. > That wording is programmed obsolescence propaganda. Yes, there is. When new software is created only by hobbyists -- no longer by companies -- and also new hardw

Re: [Freedos-user] boot linux - transfer FreeDos files to USB Flashdiskx

2021-04-15 Thread Thomas Desi
Hi, following recommandations on linux: I have used »Knoppix« and found it a clever »live« version: http://www.knoppix.org/ regards, Thomas > On Thu,20210415- week15, at 14:48, Jerome Shidel wrote: > > I primarily use openSUSE and CentOS. > > But for a Live CD linux, I rec

[Freedos-user] DOS word processors / text editors

2021-04-15 Thread Thomas Desi
English 48.9MB 1 > On Thu,20210415- week15, at 13:59, JR wrote: > > SP - Sprint - Borland's Word Processor - Produce Postscript files which are > converted to PDF's. Used for all documentation, letters and quotations. _

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

2021-04-15 Thread Jerome Shidel
I primarily use openSUSE and CentOS. But for a Live CD linux, I recommend checking out one that isn’t even in the top 100 on the distrowatch list. A while back, I was looking for a distro that still actively supported 32-bit hardware. Most mainstream distros have moved to 64-bit only. Howev

Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS

2021-04-15 Thread JR
Hi All I am 66 years old and have been developing microprocessor based products for over 35 years and use DOS 90% of the time. I run DOS under XP with "TAME" to stop 100% CPU usage. The XP PC is on my network but remains invisible to the Internet. A MikroTik router has been setup to accomplish

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

2021-04-15 Thread Angel M Alganza
Hei, Thomas: On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 05:54:35PM +0200, Thomas Desi wrote: thanks, Tomas, I will go the path you suggest. Any particular Linux flavor you suggest for this? (I would go for a „comand line interface“ only.) You could use any Live CD (or USB) Linux distro, preferably one that al

Re: [Freedos-user] DOS was dead...

2021-04-15 Thread E. Auer
Hi Felix, The "usual distro" of the day would be Ubuntu, with MINT being a spin-off and with lightweight variants such as Xubuntu or Lubuntu which default to install less heavy graphical things than the normal Ubuntu. MATE also is just yet another variant. https://distrowatch.com/ has a "ran