Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-25 Thread ZB
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 04:28:45PM +0200, Eric Auer wrote: > Of course there might be a few games which do use > acceleration features of the card, but for my first > PCI card, it was only the game which came bundled > with it :-) It actually depends on requirements; to me for most cases that

Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-25 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > Of course PCI bus is much faster, still even 16-bit ISA cards, if one uses > good quality graphics adaptor, is "fast enough" for DOS applications. Not really. DOS does not normally use the acceleration of "good quality". For example I once tried fractals on a 75 MHz computer and found

Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-25 Thread ZB
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 10:11:33AM +0200, Eric Auer wrote: > Is that with EMM386 NOEMS option? I expect EMS 3.2 to > be rarely necessary and with NOEMS you can still use > EMS 4.0 which people often forget. With 64k extra UMB. I didn't write down the particular results and conditions - just

Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-25 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > - the newer the mobo, the more likely it can use some part of "conventional > memory" (first 640 KB) for its own purposes, like my ASRock mentioned in > that other thread For example for SATA controllers or USB. > - the newer the motherboard, the more likely it'll offer less and

Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-24 Thread ZB
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 12:45:46PM +0200, Eric Auer wrote: > Actually you can even find relatively modern quad core > computers with IDE :-) The problem is that when you want > DOS compatible sound hardware, you want something with > ISA slots and those went out of fashion 20 years ago. > >

Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-15 Thread Dan Scott
That’s awesome everyone, thanks for the insight. It sounds a lot more involved than I first expected. I’m going to read up on what you guys are talking about and go from there! > On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:05 AM, ZB wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 12:45:46PM +0200, Eric Auer wrote: > >>

Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-15 Thread ZB
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 12:45:46PM +0200, Eric Auer wrote: > Actually you can even find relatively modern quad core > computers with IDE :-) The problem is that when you want > DOS compatible sound hardware, you want something with > ISA slots and those went out of fashion 20 years ago. Yes,

Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-15 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! >> I´ve seen video and I did play a fair number of DOS compatible >> games in my earlier years especially on Windows 95 and 98. I´m >> casually looking for an old 486 to tinker with too... ... > The Vortex86DX hardware natively still has IDE, not SATA. Actually you can even find

Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-15 Thread Ralf Quint
On 9/15/2020 12:11 AM, Frantisek Rysanek wrote: If you want 486-class hardware with enough RAM, un-486ish CPU horsepower and pretty good legacy compatibility, Any 486 will have more than enough RAM and "CPU horsepower" to run (Free)DOS... Your only problem in that case is too much CPU

Re: [Freedos-user] New to DOS - 486

2020-09-15 Thread Frantisek Rysanek
On 13 Sep 2020 at 16:26, Dan Scott wrote: > > I´ve seen video and I did play a fair number of DOS compatible > games in my earlier years especially on Windows 95 and 98. I´m > casually looking for an old 486 to tinker with too, so hopefully > I´ll stumble upon something someone is looking to get