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Subject: Re: New FreeRADIUS Deployment
On 16 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Julson, Jim jjul...@marketron.com wrote:
I'm not sure I get what you mean by (citation needed). Forgive me, I hope
I didn't
1. What would be recommended server hardware (memory, disk, CPU, ...) and
software (Linux distribution, kernel version, ...)?
Anything standard and new will do the trick here. You don't need Pie in the
sky, just make sure you have
2. How could I synchronize both servers' users?
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1. What
I'm not sure I get what you mean by (citation needed). Forgive me, I hope I
didn't do something wrong by posting that to the List. Sorry if I caused a
problem.
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Em nome de Julson, Jim
George,
Is this still on Ubuntu 12.04 or did you end up rebuilding to CentOS 6.2?
Forgive me if this is redundant information.
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Subject: Re: Failed to authenticate the user
Its on the ubuntu installation failing on debug
On 8/3/12, Julson, Jim jjul...@marketron.com wrote:
George
So, I can't speak to everything, but I can tell you that I found somewhat of an
alternative to the Samba/Winbind setup that most folks run as stand-alone
packages.
We are an Ubuntu 12.04 LTS shop, and one of the packages we use for our Radius
servers is Likewise-open5. Rather than having to
It's a very straight forward process.
I have a document that I've actually written as a Standard Operating Procedure
to help our IT Department. It includes everything on how to get the FreeRadius
server running with NTLM_AUTH but it's tailored to CentOS 6. If you can wait
half a day or so, I
27, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Julson, Jim
jjul...@marketron.commailto:jjul...@marketron.com wrote:
It's a very straight forward process.
I have a document that I've actually written as a Standard Operating Procedure
to help our IT Department. It includes everything on how to get the FreeRadius
server
Challenges)
I am using Ubuntu 12 LTS
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Julson, Jim
jjul...@marketron.commailto:jjul...@marketron.com wrote:
What OS are you running it on, and what version?
From:
freeradius-users-bounces+jjulson=marketron@lists.freeradius.orgmailto:marketron
]: Too many closing braces
Errors reading /usr/local/etc/raddb/radiusd.conf
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Julson, Jim
jjul...@marketron.commailto:jjul...@marketron.com wrote:
What OS are you running it on, and what version?
I am using Ubuntu 12 LTS
Sowhat version of FreeRadius?
Also
Hi Aldo,
1.- What load balancer is recommended? I would suppose that not all of them
will load balance the UDP RADIUS well, I see many appliance, brands, etc.. just
a thought
I use a pair of High Availability Kemp LM 2600's in my environment and they
work like a charm. I've also used
Hi Aldo,
Sorry for the duplicate email on my end, but the formatting was so bad I had to
fix and resend.
1.- What load balancer is recommended? I would suppose that not all of them
will load balance the UDP RADIUS well, I see many appliance, brands, etc.. just
a thought
ANSWER: I use
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Subject: Re: Can't figure out Group Authentication
Il 22/06/2012 17:32, Julson, Jim ha scritto:
Now, the problem is this. Following Alan DeKok's guide at
http
/modules/ldap
groupname_attribute
groupmembership_filter
groupmembership_attribute
hope this helps,
Thank You
On 26 June 2012 20:44, Julson, Jim
jjul...@marketron.commailto:jjul...@marketron.com wrote:
Forgive my ignorance, but the variable that you are suggesting I use would be
something
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Julson, Jim wrote:
Okay, so I think I’m getting closer. But I have a few challenges
still. I am slowly
Julson, Jim wrote:
Now, I then setup my Cisco router accordingly, and then did an SSH
test to it using my AD Account. Voila! It worked great. _*/However,
so did every other Domain User account in the environment. /*_ This
goes back to me being so new to RADIUS and Linux where I don't feel
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Alan,
That was about the most clear and concise description of the process I've
found/heard to date. Thank you for taking the time
.
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Any hints as to where I’d possibly begin?
I might be able to stumble through it if I at least knew what files I had to
edit I think.
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I'm so burnt out on this :)
Have a good weekend.
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Subject: Re: Can't figure out Group Authentication
Hi,
Any hints
Alan DeKok wrote, On 2011-11-30 9:47 AM:
Jim Pazarena wrote:
This is most baffling. When I ran cistron, it just worked; but I switched
No. FreeRADIUS is 64-bit clean.
My guess is that the passwords on 64-bit FreeBSD are *not* encrypted
with the crypt function. There is some other API
don't see anything in my radiusd.conf which
suggests an authenticate section. I could post the radiusd.conf, but would
like permission (first).
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Alan DeKok wrote, On 2011-11-29 9:34 AM:
Jim Pazarena wrote:
I am confused, as to the layout of the users file. I have a simple:
DEFAULT Auth-Type = System
Service-Type = Framed-User,
Framed-Protocol = PPP,
Framed-MTU = 1500
yet, when I start radius (in debug
please diagnose why radius feels that my server has
declined the user/password? both these user attempts
used their correct password, yet the log says it was invalid.
Thanks!
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Subject: failure log from radius debug
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:50:29 -0800
From:
tried the login with 3 user IDs including my own, and all fail.
Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Is it possible that freeradius2 needs
compiling with special flags for a 64-bit OS?
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On 2011-11-21 10:56 AM, Alan DeKok wrote:
Jim Pazarena wrote:
I'm a newby to freeradius2 (from cistron),
Wow... you haven't upgraded in a while.
correct. FreeBSD 7.0 i386 cistron 1.6.8
to FreebSD 8.2 amd64 freeradius 2.1.12
and cistron doesn't run on the 64-bit OS.
and I have
FWIW, found this in ./freeradius-server-2.1.12/src/main/auth.c
502c502
#ifdef WITH_POXT_PROXY_AUTHORIZE
---
#ifdef WITH_POST_PROXY_AUTHORIZE
On Aug 29, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Alan DeKok wrote:
I've put some pre releases of 2.1.12 on the web site:
http://git.freeradius.org/pre/
Please
but it says the encrypted password I
give it is invalid. I notice users in the users file are
authenticated properly although the password is encrytped. I need
to decrypt the password in my python module.
Thanks,
Jim
Ready to process requests.
rad_recv: Access-Request packet from host 135.207.5.9
,
Jim
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Alan DeKok al...@deployingradius.com wrote:
Jim Whitescarver wrote:
The only thing we want is python authentication. I just commented out
everything else. I will start again and try to minimize edits. I am
rather clueless about the nature the minimum edits
) found for the request:
Rejecting the user
Below is the complete log.
Any ideas of what we may be doing wrong?
Thanks,
Jim
Tue May 17 14:15:37 2011 : Debug: Listening on proxy address * port 1814
Tue May 17 14:15:37 2011 : Info: Ready to process requests.
rad_recv: Access-Request packet from
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Alan DeKok al...@deployingradius.com wrote:
Jim Whitescarver wrote:
But, after sucessfully calling our python module the user is rejected
ERROR: No authenticate method (Auth-Type) found for the request:
Rejecting the user
Don't edit the default
An update ...
I now have a Windows Server 2008 running ACT! 2010 Premium with Visual
Studio C# 2010 Express as a development environment.
I am adding a Control Button that will ODBC connect to the FR server where
the MySQL database lives and provide user updates.
Thanks to all (Gary, Alan
?
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Jim Rice jmrice6...@yahoo.com wrote:
After installing mysql-connector-odbc,
running ./configure within rlm_sql_unixodbc it was then able to find:
checking for SQLConnect in -lodbc... yes
But not:
checking for sql.h... no
configure: WARNING: silently not building
Found it. I was missing unixODBC-devel
Thanks!
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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 04:02 AM
Subject: Re: rlm_sql_unixodbc ?
Jim Rice wrote
: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: rlm_sql_unixodbc ?
Jim Rice wrote:
Quick question:
I am looking into adding an ACT! Plugin to populate the Radius MySQL
database through unix ODBC.
Found rlm_sql_unixodbc and wondered if this is already provided for this
purpose, or something else
I thought I had followed the FR installation instructions and was surprised
that something might have been missing.
How can I know which dependencies are missing? (Which packages to install?)
I had already installed mysql-connector-odbc before finding
rlm_sql_unixodbc.
There were several new
After installing mysql-connector-odbc,
running ./configure within rlm_sql_unixodbc it was then able to find:
checking for SQLConnect in -lodbc... yes
But not:
checking for sql.h... no
configure: WARNING: silently not building rlm_sql_unixodbc.
configure: WARNING: FAILURE: rlm_sql_unixodbc
).
Otherwise, I can go through the steps for installing mysql-connector-odbc
and friends.
Thanks,
Jim
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Hi Gary,
Low volume. Since these are the SM's, they will stay connected once booted.
The only time an SQL query would be needed is when something gets added or
changed.
A handful per day.
That's why it isn't really worth trying to duplicate the entire database and
maintain two copies.
On
Hi Ben,
I am confused. If the certificate is incorrect, then what is this?
[ttls] (other): SSL negotiation finished successfully
SSL Connection Established
But I will review to be sure.
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else I might need to fix in the eap.conf file.
I'm still not really sure how EAP_TLS and EAP_TTLS fit together...
Perhaps a few more miles on the doc treadmill and I will graduate from the
ranks of clueless newbie, and ask more intelligent questions.
Thanks again for your patience.
Jim
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is still down...
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Subject: Re: Certificate Compatibility
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Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 10:46 PM
Jim Rice wrote
I believe that installing a certificate on the SM removes both of the defaults.
Does this mean then that one slot is for the CA cert, and the other is for a
client cert?
Do we need to generate and install client certificates for every SM?
I thought the AP was the Radius Client in this case,
Thanks Ben,
I'll try installing the CA cert on the SM.
I had already been through the EAP notes when testing auth with a PC.
Baby steps ...
The AP is running NTP, so time is not an issue.
We were aware of the vlan problem with 11.0.
(Of course, no one uses those ;-)
Jim
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Looks like it got a bit further this time.
If I am looking at this right, it got throught the TTLS part.
But now what? The SM is just Registering.
I am hoping that this is something simple and obvious to you guys...
(Just the tail end for now):
...
rad_recv: Access-Request packet from host
Trying to test EAP-TTLS with Canopy AP.
Getting this: (FR 2.1.10)...
WARNING: !!
WARNING: !! EAP session for state 0x2f1a7f7f2b1c6afb did not finish!
WARNING: !! Please read http://wiki.freeradius.org/Certificate_Compatibility
, users
understood having to login to connect. Today, not so much.
So, are there better alternatives? Or am I still just a clueless newbie?
Thanks for your patience,
Jim
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:= Accept.
Hmm... that's probably not the best way to do it,
but if it works...
Is there a best (or better) way?
Do I need to be concerned with MAC spoofing?
Thanks again,
Jim
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Thanks for the tip, Schilling.
We wanted to provide a splash page for unauthenticated access attempts.
This helps to answer a whole other list of questions on how to do that.
Jim
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Subject: Re
to connect using mysql from the command
line for the user dialup_admin. It turned out to be a GRANT USAGE issue with
dialup_admin@localhost. (It did not have the IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD ...).
Working now. (But I need to turn off the debug stuff.)
Jim
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Shameless bump.
My apologies for the newbie question, but my searches have all been circular.
I just want to know if dialup-admin is all that is available on the Open Source
side for GUI based administration of FreeRadius?
Please, and thank you!
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New to freeradius list. Greetings.
Can someone direct me to more information about Radius GUI Interfaces?
Is dialup-admin all there is? (Does not seem to be included in rpm pkg.)
freeradius2-2.1.7-7.el5 (CentOS 5)
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notes to show management. I suspect the answer was that this is an
openssl error and it doesn't stop radius from accepting authentications.
However could someone point me to some details of the problem?
We're running freeradius v1.1.4 on RHEL4.
Thanks,
Jim
Jim Heivilin, System Administrator
Alan,
I just did a new git clone and compared it to the one I used for this test.
They appear to be the same.
Jim L.
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bit) with all updates installed. Let me know if you need any
further info.
Thanks,
Jim L.
Starting program: /usr/sbin/radiusd -f
(no debugging symbols found)
(no debugging symbols found)
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[New Thread -1208149296 (LWP 23938)]
[New Thread -1208153200
the local spool file. If the remote accounting server is up, FS does
not crash.
Hope this info helps find the bug.
Thanks,
Jim L.
+- entering group accounting {...}
expand:
/var/log/radius/radacct/%{Client-IP-Address}/detail-%Y%m%d -
/var/log/radius/radacct/X.X.X.X/detail-20080910
[detail
Alan,
I rebuilt with enable-developer and set ulimit -c unlimited. I also set
allow_core_dumps = yes in radiusd.conf. I am still getting seg faults but no
core dump files are being created.
Jim L.
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I ran radiusd via gdb and was able to capture some data. Created bug 593.
http://bugs.freeradius.org/show_bug.cgi?id=593
Thanks,
Jim L.
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I would love some help getting freeradius to authenticate from my windows 2003
server.
I am running freeradius Version 2.0.5 on a VMware instance with CentOS 5.1.
I get the following error
No authenticate method (Auth-Type) configuration found for the request when
trying to authenticate a
Have you tried
if (!control:Auth-Type) {
Jim L.
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Subject: Want to set Auth-Type to pam if Auth-type ist unset
)
Sending Access-Reject of id 0 to 192.168.0.10 port 62518
Finished request 0.
Jim Lohiser
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Subject: Re: FS trying
Alan,
I recompiled with this patch, however, I am getting the same results as
before.
Jim Lohiser
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Subject: Re: FS
would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Jim Lohiser
-- radiusd.conf
# Single detail file for accounting failover.
detail detail.imaginenet {
detailfile = ${radacctdir}/imaginenet/detail-%Y%m%d
}
-- site file
# Dummy server to spool accounting data.
home_server ImagineNet_Detail
is really necessary. Perhaps just
$INCLUDE modules/ in under the modules section would be sufficient.
Thanks,
Jim Lohiser
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radius-server auth-port 1812
I guessing that my radius.log will then show when users login.
thx in advance,
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or remove these rows from our tables?
Jim
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I've tried all sort of oterh things - User-Password =* "anything"
User-Password =~
".*"
can';t find anything that works
Thanks in advance for any help
cheers
Jim Potter
Logs:
Top bit working OK:
rad_recv:
Access-Request packet from host 10.14.
Tunnel-Medium-Type = 802,
Tunnel-Private-Group-ID = 20,
Tunnel-Type = VLAN
- this is meant to make the laptop with the given VLAN join to the
network on vlan 20, but there is no sign of this working... any clues?
cheers
Jim Potter
, or
would anyone who has this running successfully be prepared to send me a
copy of their config files.
thanks in advance
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We have a large number of users in an ldap database and we have successfully
connected freeradius with it. We have also been able to connect a specific
client ip address to a specific LDAP group to allow or disallow access to a
specific device based on group membership. What we have found is
: not found
ld: fatal: library -lssl: not found
[snip]
You're missing the libraries libcrypto and libssl. These are from
OpenSSL. I would suggest you install the proper packages, already
built for you, from sunfreeware.com.
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Jim Seymour wrote:
Jas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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/usr/ccs/bin/ld -G -z defs -h libltdl.so.3 -o
.libs/libltdl.so.3.1.0 ltdl.lo -ldl -lnsl -lresolv
-lsocket -lposix4 -lpthread -lcrypto -lssl -lc
ld: fatal: library -lcrypto: not found
ld
Abdul Lateef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanx for new version of freeradius.
It will be more easy if you can tell what are new
features added in the new ver.?
You mean like those that were listed in the announcement email?
Jim
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? Someone says me that MacOsX use a tunnel with md5 nor mschapv2.
Note that is server starts with -X no authentication is required from
MacOsX client.
I have a single Mac OS X client at work, an iBook, and it's working
fine with FreeRADIUS 1.0.2 and a NetGear FWAG114 (IIRC).
Jim
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You'll probably get more help if you post your message to the list
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v8.05 in his auto-responses suggests this is another such example.
The list owner needs to manually remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the
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Authentication HOWTO. This document provides a good
introduction to the concepts behind wireless authentication,
and to configuring and testing FreeRADIUS in wireless systems.
There's a link to the documentation in that paragraph, on that page.
Jim
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this:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Pay particular attention to the section entitled Before You Ask.
Good luck.
Jim
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Nobody has any clues on how this might be accomplished?
Jim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Seymour) wrote:
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Homer Parker wrote:
I have the same problem as:
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Yes, I sure, becouse Matched entry www at line 228 means Username and
password matched.
Hmmm... I thought it meant simply that the User-Name was a match.
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If it's not a real cert, issued by a real CA, traceable back to a
root cert server, it won't verify, yes?
I suppose it would also be possible to run your own cert server and
have the cert validate back to that, as well.
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There's mention of, and a link to, the 802.1X Port-Based Authentication
HOWTO right on FreeRADIUS' home page.
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on which I actually once generated certs by another method
(I no longer recall).
Anybody have any idea what's up with this and what I have to do to get
new certs generated?
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Zoltan Ori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 01 April 2005 11:45, Jim Seymour wrote:
No certificate matches private key
That may be the problem.
Indeed, it may well be. But what does that *mean*? What
certificate? What private key? I have no idea what it's
looking for or why
Zoltan Ori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 01 April 2005 11:58, Jim Seymour wrote:
Zoltan Ori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 01 April 2005 11:45, Jim Seymour wrote:
No certificate matches private key
That may be the problem.
Indeed, it may well be. But what does
Brian Gao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has done integrating with freeradius and
postgresql?
IIRC, the docs talk about doing just that. Have you examined them?
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Brian Gao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where I can get this IIRC?
Um... *cough* IIRC == If I Recall Correctly
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