Re: [FRIAM] The yin and yang of numbers across cultures

2006-12-06 Thread PPARYSKI
There seems to be a constant about the nature of number across all cultures: that they have a magically aspect and seem to be an integral part of the nature of the universe. Of course some numbers seem to be more magic than others, e.g. Pi. Why numbers are inherent in the universe is anothe

Re: [FRIAM] The yin and yang of numbers across cultures

2006-12-06 Thread David Mirly
Is pi really inherent throughout the universe? Won't the concept of pi break down in the presence of sufficiently strong gravity? i.e. Euclidian plane geometry is only a good approximation for our "normal/every day" applications. On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There

Re: [FRIAM] The yin and yang of numbers across cultures

2006-12-06 Thread Martin C. Martin
Pi shows up in many areas that have nothing to do with geometry. For example, the integral of exp(-x^2) over the whole real line is sqrt(Pi). Also, the infinite series 1/1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 + ... = Pi/4. - Martin David Mirly wrote: > Is pi really inherent throughout the unive

Re: [FRIAM] The yin and yang of numbers across cultures

2006-12-06 Thread Joshua Thorp
Then there is Euler's Formula which gives: e^(i*PI) + 1 = 0 <> http://agutie.homestead.com/files/Eulerformula.htm For more about the formula, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Euler_formula --joshua On Dec 6, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Martin C. Martin wrote: Pi shows up in many areas that hav

Re: [FRIAM] The yin and yang of numbers across cultures

2006-12-06 Thread Eric Smith
except of course that the pi that appears in the Gaussian integral is the angular measure, by which the gaussian on the line reduces to the exponential on the plane. So is it geometric, or is it not? Eric FRIAM Applied Complexity Gr

Re: [FRIAM] The yin and yang of numbers across cultures

2006-12-06 Thread Martin C. Martin
It has a geometric interpretation. But there are places where a real number line is useful beyond denoting locations & times in our universe. The original poster was saying that, where gravity warps space strongly, we would no longer use Pi. I was saying we would, since it comes up in other

Re: [FRIAM] US intelligence agencies "discover" blogs and wikis

2006-12-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
But sadly, isn't the basic problem not so much translating from other languages but just communicating with our own!?! So long as people are primarily looking for the fault in other people's points of view instead of the insight in other people's points of view we'll get the mayhem we now hav

Re: [FRIAM] US intelligence agencies "discover" blogs and wikis

2006-12-06 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: > So long as people > are primarily looking for the fault in other people's points of view > instead of the insight in other people's points of view we'll get the > mayhem we now have and justly deserve. > Nature must have some good a > reason for having all minds make up t

[FRIAM] help please: networking software question

2006-12-06 Thread Giles Bowkett
Hi Friamers -- I have something I need help with. I want to build a version of the 80s toy "Simon" in the form of a 20' ring of four skulls. Simon was a small handheld toy which had four buttons. Lights beneath the buttons would flash in a particular sequence, the player would press the buttons t

Re: [FRIAM] The yin and yang of numbers across cultures

2006-12-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
But, is it the 'magic' of numbers that produces the patterns or the patterns that produce the 'magic' of numbers?? big difference it seems to me. Phil Henshaw .·´ ¯ `·. ~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY