Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Carl Tollander
I've had a copy for a bit. I'll bring it by FRIAM. It's ok. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My daughter, an urban planner in Bruxelles, recommended that I read /The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable / by epistemologist Nassim Nicholas Taleb. I did look it up and found it might be per

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Nicholas Thompson
PH wrote " I too also find I make my best sense when talking to myself" NT replies: Oh good lord! I cannot allow myself to go along with this statement. First, as a behaviorist, I am not sure what it means to talk to oneself. Second, I have no idea what the validator of such a statement wo

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Russ Abbott
It's a good book, a bit rambling, but nice points. The essential arguments are here . -- Russ Abbott _ Professor, Computer Science California State University, Los Angeles o Check out my blog at

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
'The Black Swan' was mentioned this AM on the radio in NY and I ordered a copy. Nassim Taleb seems like a prolific writher and fascinating guy. The other author mentioned on the segment w

[FRIAM] Fwd: sfx News: From Greenland to Electioneering

2008-10-02 Thread Don Begley
Begin forwarded message: From: Don Begley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: October 2, 2008 9:15:16 PM MDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: sfx News: From Greenland to Electioneering Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Melting Ice and Rhetoric: October 3: Greenland's Melting Ice on Frito Friday (7:00 p

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
Yes,. such is the disappointment of life! However. we do, I believe, have words that would be quite meaningless even to ourselves without some sort of experience in common. I too also find I make my best sense when talking to myself. but am still also driven to explore those subjects which I

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] circa 10/02/2008 04:19 PM: > My daughter, an urban planner in Bruxelles, recommended that I read The Black > Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable by epistemologist Nassim Nicholas > Taleb. I did look it up and found it might be pertinent to this string. > Ha

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread PPARYSKI
My daughter, an urban planner in Bruxelles, recommended that I read The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable by epistemologist Nassim Nicholas Taleb. I did look it up and found it might be pertinent to this string. Has anybody read it? Paul ** Looking for simple sol

Re: [FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Phil Henshaw Hath Spoken Thus: ==>Look, I know this audience is not made of fools, and not deaf and dumb, and probably not disinterested in change, so I have to figure your inability to connect with my approach to constructing a science of change for natural complex systems must be that you fi

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
Yes, many possibilities.Often times one solves an 'insolvable' problem by taking an approach that was not contemplated in the initial definition, like change the rules. For example when you have a divergent sequence as a starting point in time there's not much to go on for what could happen t

Re: [FRIAM] Troubled (assets relief program) and "certain wooden arrows"

2008-10-02 Thread PPARYSKI
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Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-02 Thread Kenneth Lloyd
Phil, There are many solutions* to the problem as written. By focusing on A solution, we lose sight of alternative, perhaps equally valid solutions - which was the point of my post. For example, d may be a complex number (say, representing day.ergs), not the assumed integer. I have just finish

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
Ken, To make that divergent math work, your 2 + 2 = n + d is just the kind of dilemma with modeling the emerging divergent systems of nature that not studying divergent sequences distracts us from. There's a solution. Can you guess? Phil From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-02 Thread Kenneth Lloyd
Nick, First, 2 + 2 does not equal 4 in base 3. Second, equality only works in equilibrium. What if our mathematics rule stated for every day d that passed, 2 + 2 = n + d? The mathematics would be linearly dynamic. There are subtle cultural assumptions being imbued upon mathematics that may not

[FRIAM] or more simply, is there order?

2008-10-02 Thread Phil Henshaw
Maybe I could reword that ‘principal principle’ of systems steering as a statement of the basic evidence of order in the universe. “Conserved change appears to have verifiable but unexplainable complex organization behind it you can usually observe developing and also break by pushing it to over

[FRIAM] Troubled (assets relief program) and "certain wooden arrows"

2008-10-02 Thread Tom Carter
All - The "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act" passed by the US Senate today, and being moved on to the House, has some interesting characteristics, and contains some (vaguely) amusing elements. It turns out that the bill is actually an amendment to a bill intended to require equity