Re: [FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxesintoeco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread James Steiner
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Robert Howard wrote: > If they can get the cost of a few weeks of charcoal down to $5, >I bet they can get that box oven down to 50 ¢. Unless I'm mistaken, it looks like a cardboard box with AL foil on the flaps, with another foil-lined box inside. So, $5 seems lik

Re: [FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxesintoeco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread Robert Howard
If they can get the cost of a few weeks of charcoal down to $5, I bet they can get that box oven down to 50 c. _ From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ppary...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:25 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIA

Re: [FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxes intoeco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread PPARYSKI
Again alas in most poor countries $5 buys enough charcoal for a couple or weeks+ of cooking without the labour of cutting wood. Paul ** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001)

Re: [FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxes into eco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread Tom Johnson
Yes, a good idea. And Victor Papanek was pushing it amost 40 yrs. ago. For a good read, track down: Papanek, Victor (1971). Design for the Real World: Human Ecology and Social Change, New York, Pantheon Books . ISBN 0-394-47036-2. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Robert Howard wrote: > The $5

Re: [FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxes intoeco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread Robert Howard
I think the selling point of this new design is not so much novelty but the ability to manufacture and distribute millions of these things very cheaply. --Rob -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of James Steiner Sent: Thursday, Ap

Re: [FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxes intoeco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread Robert Howard
Alas, this nice idea, solar cardboard box ovens, has been tried in developing countries for 30+ years and has never really made an impact. This is a new design, which hasn't been tried in developing countries. Are arguing that since it failed in the past that we should not try something new in t

Re: [FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxes into eco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread James Steiner
Yeah... I thought so: http://solarcooking.org/plans/ On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM, James Steiner wrote: > I seem to recall an even more awesome *parabolic* cardboard (and foil) > solar cooker from the 70s. > ~~James > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:30 PM,   wrote: >> Alas, this nice idea, solar ca

Re: [FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxes into eco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread James Steiner
I seem to recall an even more awesome *parabolic* cardboard (and foil) solar cooker from the 70s. ~~James On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:30 PM, wrote: > Alas, this nice idea, solar cardboard box ovens, has been tried in > developing countries for 30+ years and has never really made an > impact. > Sola

Re: [FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxes into eco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread PPARYSKI
Alas, this nice idea, solar cardboard box ovens, has been tried in developing countries for 30+ years and has never really made an impact. Solar cooking takes a long time. Cardboard cookers are very fragile. The sun doesn't always shine when people want to cook. Paul (ex-UNDP) ***

[FRIAM] TOTALLY AWESOME: Inventor turns cardboard boxes into eco-friendly oven

2009-04-09 Thread Robert Howard
The $5 solar-powered device consists of a black inner cardboard box and a silver foil-covered outer box that concentrate enough heat to cook food and boil water. Bohmer's invention could be a major upgrade for the two billion people that still use CO2-emitting firewood as fuel. * http://www.g

[FRIAM] Google App Engine Blog: Seriously this time, the new language on App Engine: Java™

2009-04-09 Thread Owen Densmore
Cool! Google App Engine is extending their service beyond the current Python support to include Java and all the JVM languages like Jython, JRuby, Groovy and so on. http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/04/seriously-this-time-new-language-on-app.html We knew that Google uses Java for a