Re: [FRIAM] Dunbar numbers and distributions

2009-11-24 Thread glen e. p. ropella
>From the wikipedia article: "Thus, the 150-member group would occur only because of absolute necessity — i.e., due to intense environmental and economic pressures." So, if we run with this speculation, we could further speculate that: 1) those of us with the smallest tribes are the most well of

[FRIAM] Data Unbound - Data Architect, Consultant, Trainer, and Author Raymond Yee on data and software in research and education

2009-11-24 Thread Tom Johnson
Interesting site for data junkies http://blog.dataunbound.com/about/ -tom johnson FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.fria

Re: [FRIAM] Dunbar numbers and distributions

2009-11-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Glen, FWIW, the evolutionary psychological take on this is that we are designed to live in groiups of 40 to 60 or so. But human beings, in their more recent evolutionary history, last milllion years or so, have been forced into larger associations. But, as MacLuhan (?) pointed out, this has be

Re: [FRIAM] Dunbar numbers and distributions

2009-11-24 Thread Pamela McCorduck
On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: The concept of celebrity is just this confusion between village and mass culture. Brilliant, Nick. Never thought of it that way, but it feels right. "Whatever happens. Whatever what is, is what I want. Only that. But that."

Re: [FRIAM] Dunbar numbers and distributions

2009-11-24 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Well, my post was supposed to be a joke. Obviously, I have to work on my delivery. ;-) But, also fwiw, I totally reject this rhetoric. I don't think there's confusion between "village" and "world" trust at all, at least not in healthy people (which is, by definition, _most_ people). I DO think

[FRIAM] flocking windmills

2009-11-24 Thread Roger Critchlow
Same power production as existing wind farms in 100th the land area. http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/1124/1 -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College

Re: [FRIAM] flocking windmills

2009-11-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Now what a blithering moment. Cyclists flock to reduce friction. Ditto fish, I suppose. So, turbines want less friction with the wind? Something screwy here. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.ear

Re: [FRIAM] Dunbar numbers and distributions

2009-11-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Glen, I am not at all sure what it means to have my rhetoric rejected. My facts, yes; my logic, sure. But my RHETORIC? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ ht

Re: [FRIAM] flocking windmills

2009-11-24 Thread Carl Tollander
What they lack is mobility - lacking some sort of mobile platform maybe they could get together and decide where the next best placement would be and tell the manufacturing and installation people.   Some sort of distributed instantiation - Group orders another member, turbine shows up in the m

Re: [FRIAM] flocking windmills

2009-11-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Sorry, everybody. What I meant to write was, "Wait a blithering moment!!!", suggesting, at least, that the metaphor between bunching up cyclists and bunching up windturbines was backwards. Don't you WANT your turbines to "feel" the "headwind"? Of course I am wrong about this, but I sure wo

[FRIAM] Emergence X. Trying to wrap things up.

2009-11-24 Thread Nicholas Thompson
If I say that the strength of a triangle is due (in part, obviously) to the arrangement of its legs, have I "reduced" the the triangle's strength to the properties of its legs? Well, that depends on what one means by reduced. If by reduced, one means that only that one has made mention of t

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence X. Trying to wrap things up.

2009-11-24 Thread Douglas Roberts
On those "the strength of a triangle", and "that triangleness causes strength" suppositions: Bosh. Balderdash. Bushwaw. Bull Puckee. Everybody knows that triangles are inherently unstable because eventually (and sooner rather than later), the injured party finds out about that third "leg", a