Re: [FRIAM] Add to the mix: Viktor Frankl video clip

2010-05-16 Thread Jochen Fromm
Yes, interesting talk (in "marvelous accent without the slightest english" :-), he argues that we should treat people as they want to be: "If we treat people as they are, we make them worse. If we treat people as they should to be, we help them become what they are capable of becoming." http://www

Re: [FRIAM] WARNING: Political Argument in Progress

2010-05-16 Thread Steve Smith
Nick, Thanks for changing the thread and trying to lay the groundwork carefully here. Russ, It is my deepest belief that if our country is to survived, people who disagree need to learn to argue with each other. You and I really disagree on this one, so on my account, we are obligated to arg

Re: [FRIAM] WARNING: Political Argument in Progress

2010-05-16 Thread Russell Gonnering
My answer to Nick didn't make it to the whole group. I agreed with everything he said. Now Steve's post really has started me thinking: the "power is corruption" is starting to resonate with me. Also the "power of not being there". I think there is something really, really important in wh

Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |

2010-05-16 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Some real surprises. Mostly about who's in the black.Russia? Libya? (Oil in both cases, I suppose.) Chile? On May 15, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Russ Abbott wrote: Corrected URL: http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country -- Russ On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Nicholas Th

Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |

2010-05-16 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Here's a question for an economist. When I net it out I come up with $156 trillion surplus worldwide (equiv to 14% of the countries with surpluses). Shouldn't it come out to zero? Thanks Robert On 5/15/10 10:43 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Good times.. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-16 Thread sarbajit roy
Hi I'm sorry that I don't know as much of your (ie. US) history as I should. When I referred to your "founding fathers" I was thinking of the people who signed the declaration of Independence and wrote your Constitution - and Abe Lincoln was not one of them. "government by the people .. " refers

Re: [FRIAM] WARNING: Political Argument in Progress

2010-05-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Steve, re: argument vs discussion Point taken. I guess the distinction between the two is that in an argument, each protagonist knows in advance where he hopes to come out, whereas in a true discussion, nobody knows where they are going to come out. I like to be a realist, as you know, and I

Re: [FRIAM] WARNING: Political Argument in Progress

2010-05-16 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - re: argument vs discussion Perhaps we should "rethread" again. Owen is our strongest advocate for thread hygiene, I will defer to his opinion, if this is enough of a discursion to warrant re-threading. Point taken. I guess the distinction between the two is that in an argument, ea

Re: [FRIAM] WARNING: Political Argument in Progress

2010-05-16 Thread Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky
Okay, The problem I have is that I find something agreeable with each side and yet find it necessary to add my two cents Canadian ( Nearly on par) Power is not actually a corruption since it has deep coupling with basic biology, it is not a degenerate form of some other behavior but more of an ela