Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

Whatever you say, Glen. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:22 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > Douglas Roberts wrote at 03/29/2011 09:33 AM: > > People don't want to do the right thing. > > There is no evidence for this conclusion. > > -- > glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com > > > ==

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

Douglas Roberts wrote at 03/29/2011 09:33 AM: > People don't want to do the right thing. There is no evidence for this conclusion. -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv M

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

I guess our difference (well, ok, *one* of our differences) is that I believe our morality is hardwired, not programmable to any great extent. You can mandate whatever the hell you want, but if enough people disagree with the mandate, it will be ignored or repealed. And then there will be the ine

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

(Somehow an earlier message of mine got lost in cyberspace.) I said that you *can* force people to do the right thing, and used the civil rights movement as an example. I often used to hear "You can't legislate morality" which is true, but you can legislate behavior. If you make the penalti

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

Wow! So when a majority of white southerners showed up in their Sunday finest to watch the weekly lynchings, that was the right thing? I guess you mean "right" in some other sense. N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Sa

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

Good point, Carl. I really should have said, "In the absence of a functioning moral compass, and a modicum of intelligence..." On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Carl Tollander wrote: > Panic over intangibles is the right thing? Promise? > > > On 3/29/11 11:30 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > > In

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

Panic over intangibles is the right thing? Promise? On 3/29/11 11:30 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: In the absence of a functioning moral compass, I suppose this is a workable definition. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Sarbajit Roy > wrote: What the majority of

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

In the absence of a functioning moral compass, I suppose this is a workable definition. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: > What the majority of people do IS the right thing. Wisdom of crowds and so > on. > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Douglas Roberts > wrote: > > Gee

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

What the majority of people do IS the right thing. Wisdom of crowds and so on. On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote: > Geeze, Nick. > You can't make people do the right thing. People have to want to do the > right thing. People don't want to do the right thing. (Speaking in

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

Geeze, Nick. You can't *make* people do the right thing. People have to want to do the right thing. People don't want to do the right thing. (Speaking in majority terms now, minority exceptions don't count). Things won't change until people change. When will that be? Not in our lifetime, peo

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

Thanks, Roger. Well distilled. As to your main question, I think it's a control system problem. Somehow the thermostat (the board room) needs to be made sensitive to the temperature (the pollution.) Friam would seem to be really well poised to think about this issue. But I think we need a conc

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Of course, that's the whole issue. Do we let faceless bureaucrats figure > these things out and impose burdensome regulations? Yes, consistently. > Or do we let gangs of rapacious attorneys sue for ruinous damages after the > fact?

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

Of course, that's the whole issue. Do we let faceless bureaucrats figure these things out and impose burdensome regulations? Or do we let gangs of rapacious attorneys sue for ruinous damages after the fact? Or is there another way to force consideration of public good into decisions about privat

Re: [FRIAM] vol 93, issue 22

And how, dear mice, do you propose to "bell the cat"? On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Russ Abbott wrote: > That's exactly Nick's point.  He says we should make it a cost to the > polluter. > > -- Russ Abbott > _ >   Professor, Computer Science >   Cali