Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Nick writes: "So when someone proposes a measure of something complicated such as "atheism", it's fair to ask what the validator of that measure would be, what the measure is actually intended to GET AT. And one of the kind of standard observations that my kind of psychologist often makes, is th

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Marcus, Thanks for responding. My bad. I used "validator" in a narrow technical sense, not in its more regular sense of a proof. My use comes from measurement theory in psychology. I am not an expert in measurement theory, but here goes:A measure is "valid" when it can be shown to corre

[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Nick writes: "What is the validator here, and against what is it validated." Without the possibility of evidence to decide a question, an atheist is one example of a person that will reject it as being invalid. So one thing I'd expect to find in the brain of an atheist is a mechanism to evaluat

Re: [FRIAM] clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Owen Densmore
Being a Buddheo-Christian, I can say I believe in the Pythagorean Theorem and have faith in something some call God. And I ponder why there is Something rather than Nothing. Maybe quantum mechanics? It's getting pretty close. My bet is my brain is so beat up at this point that an EKG would not

Re: [FRIAM] clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread glen
circa Mon Dec 22 18:10:45 EST 2014, mgd wrote: As I see it, the significant attention in that case in that example is putting together the joke. For True Blood or Walking Dead, it's the screenwriters, actors, directors, consultants, and other creative individuals involved in making the shows

Re: [FRIAM] clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread glen
Ha! I am immune to your sarcasm! 8^) It is _precisely_ agnostic to assert that the gender of the gods is completely irrelevant, as is their hair color. So, your hair splitting simply provides us with, dare I say it, CERTAIN convincing evidence that you are a paternalist! And that you rely

Re: [FRIAM] clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Great "wordsmithery" as usual! My first instinct was to hairsplit argumentatively and ask for more fine-structure in the definition of "god or gods"... to start, we are all progressive feminists here I am sure, so "god or gods" should be taken as gender neutral such that the goddess or

Re: [FRIAM] clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread glen
On 12/22/2014 12:18 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: @Glen before diving to deep into it with numbers- do you have a working defination of Agnostic vs Atheist? Well, the standard definitions suffice, I think. This one works just fine for agnostic: "a person who believes that nothing is known or ca

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Oh, I agree. The whole thing is silly. I was just trying to specify what the analogy to an EEG would have to be. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Gillian Densmore
@Glen before diving to deep into it with numbers- do you have a working defination of Agnostic vs Atheist? On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:54 AM, glen wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_%28codename%29 > > I don't disagree that low N studies are useful. But high N studies are also > usefu

[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] kahneman's beast

2014-12-22 Thread glen
Here's a good example of why Kahneman's system [12] irritates me: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141219-will-religion-ever-disappear “With education, exposure to science and critical thinking, people might stop trusting their intuitions,” Norenzayan says. “But the intuitions are there.”

[FRIAM] Value some insite

2014-12-22 Thread Gillian Densmore
Email is a poor medium for the kind of formating I suspect my desire for opinions, guidance and second opinions requires... Having said that: It's no secret I've been ramming my head againts several walls, and thus find my self facing a extremely complex problem: How the hell do I even get starte

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread glen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_%28codename%29 I don't disagree that low N studies are useful. But high N studies are also useful. On 12/22/2014 06:06 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: > Nick wrote: > > "Well, 30 or more tiny fm radios placed at strategic locations around the > mother board,

Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

2014-12-22 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Nick wrote: "Well, 30 or more tiny fm radios placed at strategic locations around the mother board, might be more like it. No?" Like if a team of two or three aliens came to watch the Earth from orbit, before there was broadcasting. Relatively speaking, that's how many individual things they'd