Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread ┣glen┫
Yes, particularly for artificial systems, the separation/linearity can be relatively clear. I suppose it boils down to whether or not a mechanic is capable of appropriate intervention with a non-mechanical[*] system? But, ultimately, I gel with your gist. Even if a mechanic fails to _know_ fo

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Marcus Daniels
"But corrected implies some sort of coherent controller-controlled separation and relation. " Maybe instead of a doctor, a talented mechanic that can hone in on faulty spring or loose screw that creates a hard to reproduce rattle. I want the gal that has those kind skills fixing my car (or d

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread ┣glen┫
Yes. But corrected implies some sort of coherent controller-controlled separation and relation. When the feed-back and -forward relations get too numerous and intertwined, the concept of "correction" dissolves. For example, when the cure fundamentally modifies the patient so that they're a ve

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Marcus Daniels
When I was a child I would help my grandmother clear out old bushes and trees having deep roots, e.g. to make more space for planting.My tool of choice was to get the tractor and a chain and yank on it .I could happily yank on it and yank on it, for an hour or even more. I like the hydr

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Marcus Daniels
I think she’s the sort to quietly finish a fight – talk is good, but smoke and silence will work too. Marcus From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:00 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FR

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Merle Lefkoff
It's also easier to make war than wage peace. As the mother of four and the grandmother of seven, I wish you a lot of luck Frank! On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > As a person whose 4 year old grandson lives with us I can say that it may > be easy to make babies but it's

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Frank Wimberly
As a person whose 4 year old grandson lives with us I can say that it may be easy to make babies but it's not easy to raise them. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Oct 18, 2016 11:01 AM, "Marcus Daniels" wrote: > Or corrected. I don't want to go to the hospital and get a different

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Marcus Daniels
Or corrected. I don't want to go to the hospital and get a different loved-one. I want the cancer cured, the organ replaced, or whatever.It's harder to do that than make more babies. -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ?glen? Sent: Tue

Re: [FRIAM] enablors vs disruptors

2016-10-18 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, everybody, The response to this thread has been great. I had thought by this point I would have had a lot to say in response to your responses, but you have collectively just about said it all and I am [relatively] speechless. Thanks very much. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Hahaha. No, Frank. Like many of my colleagues I don't have a candidate in this race, but I've already voted for Hillary, who will no doubt keep intact the status quo of perpetual war. Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. Visiting Professor in Integrative Peacebuilding Saint Paul University Ottawa, Canada On Tu

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread ┣glen┫
It seems to me that new usage patterns always evolve out of old usage patterns. If that's true, then the old way isn't destroyed, but repurposed, adapted, abused, and evolved. On 10/18/2016 09:48 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > I read recently that it was economist Joseph Schumpeter who observed tha

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Frank Wimberly
Merle, I hope that doesn't mean you think it's good to vote for Trump. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Oct 18, 2016 10:49 AM, "Merle Lefkoff" wrote: > I read recently that it was economist Joseph Schumpeter who observed that > originality is an act of creative destruction. We ha

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Merle Lefkoff
I read recently that it was economist Joseph Schumpeter who observed that originality is an act of creative destruction. We have to demolish the old way of doing things when we advocate for new systems. As someone who applies complexity to changing public policy, I feel I have no other choice. O

[FRIAM] Fwd: From The Times: Your Tuesday Briefing

2016-10-18 Thread Owen Densmore
Interesting: NYTimes has a daily Morning Briefing, free (so far!). I'm wondering if the monthly "click through" limit still is in place for users starting at the Briefing? I'm interested in this because of the Brave browser's (https://brave.com/) effort to find a middle ground for advertising and

Re: [FRIAM] Disruptor

2016-10-18 Thread Michael Stevens
I have lot of experience in high tech marketing. I can say that the term “disruptor” has become a bit of a cliché. A high tech company billing itself as a disruptor really has to have a so-called secret sauce (also a cliché) that is both genuinely unique - nobody but nobody else can do it, and t

Re: [FRIAM] enablors vs disruptors

2016-10-18 Thread ┣glen┫
I think Eric did a good job demonstrating that the use of "technology" in "technology startup" is at least ambiguous, if not a straight-up misnomer. But another ambiguity lies in the word "startup". My company is routinely misclassified as a startup simply because we're small and have our han

Re: [FRIAM] enablors vs disruptors

2016-10-18 Thread Prof David West
If I was head of marketing for any company, but especially a tech company startup or otherwise, I likely would be enamored of using taglines like, "This changes everything!" Connotations of the future, of excitement, of adventure, just the right amount of tension (fear) from uncertainty, promise of

Re: [FRIAM] enablors vs disruptors

2016-10-18 Thread Eric Charles
"If you ARE (factual) or WERE (counter-factual) a technology startup, do you (would you) advertise yourself as a disruptor? " Ooooh, THAT is a messy question. If I was technology startup, I would be priming whatever words/concepts Venture Capitalists are receptive to this week. That is because, al