Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

I feel that I have been "there" from (near) the inception of the Complexity Bubble you refer to. I'm not sure if you are mixing a metaphor here... though it does seem that the source domain is the same in both metaphors: 1) A bubble like a housing or tulip bubble which just keeps expanding

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Nick - I share your concern about the current place of political (and generally public?) discourse. I am heartened by the work of Krista Tippet and her many interviewees in what she calls "The Civil Conversation Project " with a psuedo abstract of:

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Nick - My read is that Owen was teasing you... by all understandings I have of teasing, it is always oblique. My read on "not unkind" was that he was suggesting that your post was perhaps deliberately provocative, which I also think it was, but in a positive way which adds to the quality of

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Glen writes: "But at least you can vary the direction without changing layers. More complicated layering would be something like doping a silicon chip or spray painting a complicated surface ... or perhaps sand blasting something, where you turn it within the directional gradient." Why does

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Yes! thanks! The tool is IdeaTreeLive and attempts to address *some* of the issues discussed here. If Ron is still live on this list, I trust he will weigh in. He's clearly thought a lot about these issues (as several of us obviously have) but with a

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Hi, Glen, Missed this the first time. Late, here, so I will just say a little. According to the scientific metaphor game I understand, we would now start to cash out the onion metaphor. Does the relation between the layers in an onion REALLY capture what you are after. I would guess not,

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Complex system and emergence reached their hype peak around 2,000. The bubble burst for emergence

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Dear All, I wonder the extent to which you would all agree that there is a bit of a complexity bubble: i.e., if you know the lingo, then you can understand the questions; if you don't know the lingo, then you can't understand what complexity people are on about. So, one kind of project a

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Hi, everybody, If only because of my despair concerning the current state of our national political discourse, mind mapping tools are of great interest to me. Some of us briefly considered using such tools to moderate conversation between people who disagree. Would such a tool help to

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Hi, Owen, This would all be a lot easier if you would just say what you think. What was the “unkind way” that your message was “not in” ? And what the dickens is an O.P.? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Steve: I think the mind mapping developer you are thinking of is Ron Newman -- ron.new...@gmail.com TJ Tom Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Society

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

I think you and I on the same page. My first thought (before the concept-mapping tools) was to collaboratively develop an ontology so that we could all talk about the same things. But my guess is that would just cause even more hemming and hawing over terms. Regardless of tools, someone

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Yes, I suppose that one could say that Nick is the best kind of Troll here... I always appreciate his (deliberately) naive questions and hair splitting even when it IS the hair on my own chinny chin chin! On 6/8/17 4:08 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: No, my troll comment was meant for Nick's OP.

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

No, my troll comment was meant for Nick's OP. Not in an unkind way, but ... On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Glen - > > I have found concept mapping tools to be helpful in this context, but > usually in live-brainstorming sessions... with one (or more)

Re: [FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

Glen - I have found concept mapping tools to be helpful in this context, but usually in live-brainstorming sessions... with one (or more) operators clicking and typing and dragging and connecting while others chatter out loud, then shifting the mouse/keyboard(s) to another(s). I know we

[FRIAM] tools, trollers, and language

We quickly polluted that thread, too. But it drives home the point that an email list is _not_ a (good) collaborative production tool. Aha! I haven't heard from Cliff since my work for the PSL. He supposedly works up at PNNL. Thanks for that article. Yes, I took

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Glen - I admit to being over my depth, at least in attention, if not in ability to parse out your dense text, and more to the point, the entire thread(s) which gives me more sympathy with Nick who would like a tool to help organize, neaten up, trim, etc. these very complex ( in the more

Re: [FRIAM] apologies for using the list, but need help

Patrick Chavez, Busy Bee,. Tell'im John Balwit referred him. > On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Prof David West wrote: > > anyone in Santa Fe know an honest electrician? I need someone to get a > permit and inspection to put in an electric meter. Time is critical. > > dave

Re: [FRIAM] Peculiar pattern found in ‘random’ prime numbers : Nature News & Comment

Yeah, kinda fascinating observation, thanks. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 11:02 AM, glen ☣ wrote: > Smells a little like Benford's Law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Benford's_law > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] Peculiar pattern found in ‘random’ prime numbers : Nature News & Comment

Smells a little like Benford's Law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford's_law On 06/08/2017 09:55 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Kinda fascinating new paper on prime numbers: > > Prime numbers near to each other tend to avoid repeating their last digits, > the mathematicians say: that is, a prime

[FRIAM] Peculiar pattern found in ‘random’ prime numbers : Nature News & Comment

Kinda fascinating new paper on prime numbers: Prime numbers near to each other tend to avoid repeating their last digits, the mathematicians say: that is, a prime that ends in 1 is less likely to be followed by another ending in 1 than one might expect from a random sequence. “As soon as I saw

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

You seem to be asking for people other than me to respond. But I doubt anyone will try to explain a troll like me. >8^) I don't have any idea what you mean by "a kind of hen". So, I'll let that go. Stratum is a good word, but like level, it implies a direction, namely up-down ("something

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Ha! I was going to respond to the playground bullying tactic of double dog dares with a request for some clinical trial data. But, to be honest, I'm biased toward Thomas Szasz' perspective and would probably never read Kohut's book, anyway. 8^) On 06/08/2017 06:18 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

Clarification: the book is 45 years old and is available online as a PDF file. It's hard to read without a lot of background in the field. Psychiatric residents who used to read it often felt they had the disorder even if they didn't. I apologize for the snarky suggestion that you read it.