Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?

2019-12-12 Thread Steven A Smith
FriAMsketeers and Correspondents en Ineffablia - I am traveling in Sweden right now where every other young man I meet is named "Torbjorn"  which roughly translates to "Thunder-Bear" or more specifically "god-of-thunder/bear".   In every case, I actually do feel as if I have spoken with a God and

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?

2019-12-12 Thread Prof David West
Hello Nick, Re previous post about speaking to god and ineffable experience: I was not attempting to assert anything, merely ask questions. Specifically, questions regarding Eric's assertion denying ineffability and "defining" the Real as that which has effects. So I proposed two scenarios inv

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?

2019-12-12 Thread Prof David West
Nick style larding follows: On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, at 5:15 AM, Eric Charles wrote: > I think the effableness is a red herring. "Last night I ate spaghetti" > doesn't fully and completely explain exactly what happened last night... but > we all agree that I used words to describe a thing that is

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: [EXT] Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?

2019-12-12 Thread John Kennison
I'm pretty slow on the uptake in this conversation. I'm still thinking about there being no "out there". The language we use seems to be based on concepts such as "out there". So if "out there" makes no sense then our language is deeply flawed and, at best, an approximate instrument. It would ha

[FRIAM] constructive explanations (was Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?)

2019-12-12 Thread glen∈ℂ
OK. I'm going to focus on this distinction. When you explain some thing to someone, you have a choice between 2 styles. You can tell them how to make it happen or you can tell them how that thing fits in with everything else. So, in your eraser behind the book setup, you focus on the latter. Er

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?

2019-12-12 Thread glen∈ℂ
Heh, it was Homotopy Type Theory I was accusing of being hoity-toity. 8^) But I think it's reasonable to argue that W. was pretty hoity-toity, as this story implies: When Feyerabend Met Wittgenstein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL600Mafzf0 Disclosure: Feyerabend is my favorite philosoph

[FRIAM] Bit coin ATM

2019-12-12 Thread Tom Johnson
Seen in a big mall in Sandton, South Africa. No one around, so I couldn't get any details, but I shall keep trying. Tom FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://red

[FRIAM] A not too bad NYTimes "explainer" on Brexit & today's vote in Britain

2019-12-12 Thread Owen Densmore
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/world/europe/what-is-brexit.html

Re: [FRIAM] constructive explanations (was Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?)

2019-12-12 Thread thompnickson2
Hi, Glen, I like what you wrote below a lot. It is redolent with Pragmatism ... a concern with the "practicial", as Eric insists that I say. But there is something else lurking here which blind sided me and which I need to think hard about. It's the word "creation". Now, you compute

Re: [FRIAM] constructive explanations (was Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?)

2019-12-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Heh, I worried you (or someone else) might go there, which is why I included the addendum about manipulation. There are some of us (me included) who think there is no such thing as creation or innovation, only differentiation and manipulation. But others allow for wide or narrow definitions of i

Re: [FRIAM] constructive explanations (was Re: A pluralistic model of the mind?)

2019-12-12 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
[sorry] And please note that I didn't say "If you *can* make it happen, then you *do* understand it." That's not true. Just because I digest my food doesn't mean I understand food digestion, despite it being a constructive proof of the existence of digestion. The making is necessary for understa

[FRIAM] visitor

2019-12-12 Thread thompnickson2
Hi, everybody, This is to introduce Hargoband Khalsa, an interesting young guy I ran into at Ohori's yesterday. He was raised here in Northern Mexico, but has attended a school in India ever since middle school. He has just graduated and is contemplating a college career in psychology and co

Re: [FRIAM] visitor

2019-12-12 Thread thompnickson2
Sorry, everybody. That's Hargobind. Bad, Nick. BD. Nick Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ Fr