Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model

2019-12-27 Thread Steven A Smith
Nick - Interesting introspective riff on the imperative to argument.   First, I applaud you recognizing and/or digging out the roots of Shadenfreud.   I've always used it in a more passive mode... not so much to *inflict* a scar, but perhaps enjoying seeing someone else scarred... in particular in

[FRIAM] belly of the beast

2019-12-27 Thread Steven A Smith
Nick - > > Our Own Lee Rudolph, was there as well.  In the belly of Net Logo, I > think. > >   > > Lee Are you out there?  > That is an interesting factoid...  I would not have guessed/recognized that legacy.  Net/Logo is definitely an interesting beast. "We all got to be the way we are, someh

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model

2019-12-27 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - Well found.   I am digging into it now.  Thanks to both you and Eric S. for this acute but interesting/relevant bend to the thread at hand. A fascinating twist in our "Climate Complexity Summit" in Stockholm earlier this month (thanks Merle for instigating/organizing) was what felt to me

Re: [FRIAM] belly of the beast

2019-12-27 Thread Gary Schiltz
Speaking of modeling environments and bellies and beasts, weren’t Glen and/or Marcus largely behind Swarm? On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 10:37 AM Steven A Smith wrote: > Nick - > > Our Own Lee Rudolph, was there as well. In the belly of Net Logo, I > think. > > > > Lee Are you out there? > > That

Re: [FRIAM] IT is Not Sustainable

2019-12-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: < What role does occam's razor play in software development? Any? Or did it used to, and now it doesn't any more. > Imagine telling a contractor that you wanted a room for watching movies. Instead of looking at the rooms you have, running wires to speakers, and adding

Re: [FRIAM] belly of the beast

2019-12-27 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I wouldn't say "behind". I came on the project just as Nelson Minar left and supported it for awhile. Chris Langton, Roger Burkhart, and Nelson were behind it. Manor Askenazi supported it before me. Then Marcus came onboard and did a Herculean amount of work to make it usable and robust. On 12/

Re: [FRIAM] belly of the beast

2019-12-27 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Bah! The shiny objects are for diachronics. We episodics dream of storming a bunker and finding alien versions of ourselves. On 12/27/19 10:06 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Ha! Have you ever had a dream you were storming the beaches of Normandy only > to find the person in the bunker was a former

Re: [FRIAM] belly of the beast

2019-12-27 Thread Steven A Smith
> Speaking of modeling environments and bellies and beasts, weren’t Glen > and/or Marcus largely behind Swarm? Yup!  I'd love to hear an anecdote or three from them.   I was just in Copenhagen and spent a night with Steen Rasmussen and we reminisced about the early days of ALife... Swarm: The be

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model

2019-12-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
Schadenfreude. Sad- happiness, I think. Don't forget the final "e". --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Fri, Dec 27, 2

Re: [FRIAM] belly of the beast

2019-12-27 Thread Steven A Smith
glen sed: > Bah! The shiny objects are for diachronics. We episodics dream of storming a > bunker and finding alien versions of ourselves. Tangenting off of the (unintended?) resonance with the "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?": Why just bend a thread when you can give it a good twist and a

[FRIAM] Venue on January 3rd

2019-12-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
I thought Saveur worked well. I suggest retuning there next week. Objections? Frank --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 =

[FRIAM] Inflicting complexity

2019-12-27 Thread Carl Tollander
After looking at Tom's ref on FB about teaching Military thinking to 2020 election security infrastructure in democracies ( https://apnews.com/222bd1402c96bc487f5a0a2dc5bff12c?fbclid=IwAR2PSR8UxoSlEoulaar8ITN1vRNRChd34VVgcU6WMNM4vOwnaEmr0eFOsQw ) I recalled an STO (Strategic Technology Office) a

[FRIAM] Celeste Kidd - How to Know

2019-12-27 Thread Roger Critchlow
This talk was mentioned on hacker news this week and inspired my babbling at Saveur this morning. https://slideslive.com/38921495/how-to-know. The talk was delivered at Neural IPS on December 9 and discusses recent research on how people come to believe they know something. This paper https://ww