Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread Merle Lefkoff
The queen of strategies for how non-profits can squeeze money out of those who have too much and have earned it in nefarious ways (almost always) is a woman named Lynne Twist. Lynne teaches a brutal workshop called "The Soul of Money." The big takeaway from her workshop is: "those of us advocati

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Merle wrote: "The big takeaway from her workshop is: "those of us advocating positive social change have a sacred duty to move that money from where it was ill-got and put it to use in rightful ways." First we have to presume there is such a thing as positive social change, as opposed to chan

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread thompnickson2
Wow! Gives new meaning to the notion of “money laundering”. Hard to have an opinion, here. Hard to think of any institution not funded by ill-gotten gains. Still, one hates to grant nasty people the offramp of philanthropy. “He was a rapist but I gave to MIT”? “He Hated Women But He Lo

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread Steven A Smith
A good friend makes the distinction: "Power does not corrupt, Power IS Corruption!" Money is a highly liquid (or even volatile?) form of power.   The issues many/most raise around cryptocurrency (untraceable transfer of wealth) seems to revolve around the extreme case that "you can buy anythi

Re: [FRIAM] Aus Fire relief food drops to feed everything

2020-01-12 Thread Gillian Densmore
Re: Aus Fire relief food drops to feed everything One of my online clubs has been posting links to people doing air drops to feed animas-while they do need food...uh why not also co-ordinate food drops to feed the humans to? Can drones do that stuff yet?

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Let’s consider a scenario a little closer to home. Consider a vegan and a person passionate about animal rights.Such a person is confronted all the time with individuals who do not share their values. A television program that comes to mind is America’s Test Kitchen. This program often

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread thompnickson2
Wait a minute, Marcus, the syllogism A can do X (has the potentiality, possibility, opportunity, etc.) Ergo, A does X Is missing a crucial premise Why does the potentiality entail the desire? I can plunge a dinner fork into the back of my hand, right now. Surely, you don’t e

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: “Why does the potentiality entail the desire? I can plunge a dinner fork into the back of my hand, right now. Surely, you don’t expect me to do so, just because I can.” The premise is that people do things that feel good, and things that are apparently free from negative consequen

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread thompnickson2
So, the logic seems right. But … just to take the Epstein case … doesn’t that presume that abusing women feels good? I just have never see how that works, In the marshland around where grew up, there were these enormous flies, with beaklike mouthparts for biting…Greenheads, they w

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread Frank Wimberly
Did you put the dewinged Greenhead out of its misery? --- Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 2:53 PM wrote: > So, the logic seems right. > > > > But … just to take the Epstein case … doesn’t that presume that abusing > women feels good?

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: "But … just to take the Epstein case … doesn’t that presume that abusing women feels good?" I claim it is subjective. A foodie with "developed tastes" has strong opinions on what is good and bad. They may even begin to believe that these good and bad things are more than subj

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Also, with regard to Epstein, I don’t know why you presume emotional modeling of the young women. That would motivate a sadism motive. Pure objectification also seems plausible. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:  Nick writes: "But … just to take the

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread thompnickson2
I don’t remember. Perhaps the most horrifying part of the experience was that the fly didn’t seem miserable. It just went it’s busy-ness without wings. n Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@

Re: [FRIAM] more Epstein fallout

2020-01-12 Thread Frank Wimberly
He probably *thought* he was flying. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 3:35 PM wrote: > I don’t

[FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-12 Thread Eric Charles
[Eric] A much belated larded reply to David's generous comment regarding the description-explanation issue. [David] Lacking the wit tore- weave the argument that has unraveled into several threads and posts; an attempt to begin afresh from one of the points of origin - the Introduction to a

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-12 Thread thompnickson2
Dear Eric and David, David’s reading of that work is by far the most perceptive and profound critique I have ever received of our metaphors and models theory, and I a profoundly grateful for it. I was also profoundly grateful for Eric’s ”defense”.I hope this correspondence helps eric a