Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Steve writes: < In my naive version of pop psych, I am used to "triggers" and "reactions" being somewhat convolved. The firearm metaphor is quite apt here... with a "hair trigger" and a gun whose "safety is off" or is "cocked" (double-action revolver/rifle). > Hah, Glen "doesn't re

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

With this example, I understand why Glen prefers triggers and actions to be distinct, if/when/as I might use this language for agent modeling I would prefer the same. In my naive version of pop psych, I am used to "triggers" and "reactions" being somewhat convolved.  The firearm metaphor is quite

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

I agree slavishly with everything that Eric wrote, except: There are many examples that suggest certain insights-that-turn-out-to-hold-up-pretty-well, which were first experienced when under an altered state, were unlikely to have been experienced without that altered state. I thought

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I think different views may arise like this. 1) Agent runs all the time and has an active set of triggers and actions associated with these triggers. When triggers are too sensitive or actions too consequential, they are changed. Triggers and actions are being added and changed all the time.

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Glen writes: Reflection in "normals" language will be laden by taboos. (Like you said one might ask themselves what it would take kill someone.) Stepping back to a use a specialized lan

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On 2/22/20 7:45 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Glen writes: > > < By asking for more examples, it seems the original one (Ellison's Trump > support) isn't meaningful for you? Another example might be learning that > your organization accepted money from a convicted sex offender like Epstein. > T

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

If we are willing to go back and forth a bit between being philosophers and psychologists for a moment, there are far more interesting things to talk about regarding "altered states" here are the some of the issues: 1. When someone claims to be responding to something, we should believe

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On 2/22/20 8:33 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: > Thanks for the disambiguation...  in my vocabulary/experience I think > what you are calling "installed triggers" are what I call "heuristics", Well, for me, a heuristic is an *action* not a trigger. It's a response to a trigger. A trigger is a circum

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Agreed --- Frank C. Wimberly, PhD 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 12:25 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > Frank writes: > > > > was correct in our years-ago argument when I said that gender defines an > equivalence relation on the set of people.> > > Definitions. Notation. Argh, who

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Frank writes: Definitions. Notation. Argh, who cares. Where’s that neuralyzer, let me get rid of them. (That should at least be evidence of continuity!) Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe

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< Did we actually meet meat? I don’t remember when. Rumor has it that you are in the BayArea now. > Back in the SF Complex days, I looked a little like Jesus. Eric once likened me to Shaggy from Scooby Doo. I do miss annoying LANL managers with this kind of presentation. As if their ex

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Ah, but is transcendence abduction? As in: "Take me away from all this practicial (google helpfully auto-corrected to practical) nit picking, for a while just show me how things might be." When does the image of the snake biting its tail become the hypothesis that benzene is a cyclic molecule?

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It would constitute proof that Marcus exists if he were to admit that I was correct in our years-ago argument when I said that gender defines an equivalence relation on the set of people. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly, PhD 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:32 AM Steven A Smith wro

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Nick - > What I object to is the notion that such experiences in extremis are > èin principleç more likely to be true than ordinary ones, or, further, > that there is any way to confirm the implications of one experience > except through further experiences.  > I believe that  /experiences en extr

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Believe me, Marcus, in any pragmatic world, you dog feels. That your aunt would ever doubt such a thing is part of Descartes’ poisonous legacy. Did we actually meet meat? I don’t remember when. Rumor has it that you are in the BayArea now. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Prof

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< Pps: Do I have more or less evidence that Christ Existed than I do that Marcus exists. I have never met either of them, but of both, I can say, “I have read a lot of his writings and I know a lot of people who believe in him and speak highly of him. “ What would constitute indoubitable proof

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

Hi, Eric, ‘n all, Thanks for the citation. Here’s where I think we need you. I think Dave West and others in the group are interested in the notion of truth beyond experience, or truth in extraordinary experience, or truth found through drugs or pain, or through intense meditations, o

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Glen - >> I'm surprised (but welcome more introspection) that you would prescribe >> *installing triggers* in the light of your proscription against >> *premature binding* in general.  I'm sure there are plenty of nuances >> I'm missing here. > That's a good point. I suppose I should distinguish be

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Glen writes: < By asking for more examples, it seems the original one (Ellison's Trump support) isn't meaningful for you? Another example might be learning that your organization accepted money from a convicted sex offender like Epstein. These are triggers for some people. They'd trigger me, to

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On 2/21/20 1:10 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > I'm surprised (but welcome more introspection) that you would prescribe > *installing triggers* in the light of your proscription against > *premature binding* in general.  I'm sure there are plenty of nuances > I'm missing here. That's a good point. I

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Assertion: > 1. Since Christ has never been proved to have existed, it seems to me (as > a non-psychologist) those consuming his 'blood' religiously appear as > victims/participants of group mass delusions reinforced by their regular > shared consumption of a narcotic in a controlled environment r

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Our goon’s people will die-off soon enough. Modi’s seem to be younger? On Feb 21, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:  India. Being afraid is a good thing. It heightens our senses, causes us to be better prepared to react against threats (dictators) when they happen. As of now our 2 mutual